I saw it multiple times, I believe you guys too. The term “shapeshifters” or “reptilians” or “flat earth” that we saw in various posts here and on other sites.
I will show you how it’s used by the bad guys to strengthen the “conspiracy theorist” label and slow down awakening.
Example:
”Billy Corgan: ‘Shapeshifting Reptilians’ Run The ‘Satanic’ Music Industry”
https://newspunch.com/billy-corgan-shapeshifting-reptilians/
My reaction to it is:
Add “flat earth” to it and you can easily label all inconvenient truth as “conspiracy theory”.
As simple as that.
They could have done it better this way: ‘Shapeshifting Reptilians’ who live on the opposite side of the Flat Earth Run The ‘Satanic’ Music Industry”.
Recall Pelosi saying on video:
We smear somebody with falsehood and all the rest, then you (journalists) print it and we say: The Press has published that (…) - it legitimises what we said, .. etc.
Talking about “shapeshifters” and “reptilians” is a similar tactic but it’s used to strengthen “conspiracy theorist” label.
When do they need to strengthen the “conspiracy theorist” label?
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when the label stops working,
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when people discover that all previous conspiracy theories came out to be a reality,
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when we’re winning awakening the masses.
The deep state has to stick some bullshit they can call later so that people won’t believe it, otherwise the “conspiracy theorist” label will stop working at all.
Think about it as a slider that reflects the % of the truth within the “conspiracy theory” space.
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We prove something was real, we move the slider closer to 100%
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We say that the difference between the conspiracy theory and the reality was 2 years, 6 months and now it’s 2 months.
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We’re destroying the term (a weapon) the C_A has created to prevent awakening.
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They want to move the slider back where it was, closer to 0% so the term (a weapon) can be used again.
It’s NOT about the flat earth or reptilians.
It’s about Awakening.
Everyone who pushes these theories is either unaware or is a shill working for the deep state for money. People who try to justify “we use it to label (them)” are also either unaware or are paid shills who word Kadr to prevent awakening.
When we hear someone like this article and person “witnessing” it (especially famous person) - we have to note it as he isn’t on our side and will betray us. These celebrities are bought to make a contrast between:
- their lies and fake reality they want us to live and believe in,
versus:
- the truth about their pedo perversions, rapes, blackmail and satanic sacrifice.
Once they add something crazy and unreal to the second group - people are more likely to sit in the first box. Be aware of that!
Even if you’re crazy enough to believe that reptilians are real - it’s your choice. But if you really support the Great Awakening - you need to be aware that normies won’t move from the box 1 to box 2 if you add too much for them to accept. Knowing that: avoid flat earth and reptilians terminology here, leave it for yourself for later, if you enjoy it and focus on Great Awakening.
It’s a social engineering, consciously used by the Deep State.
At this stage anyone pushing flat earth and reptilians theories slows down the awakening process, no matter if consciously and intentionally or not.
I’ve made this post quite long and intentionally used the keywords in the title. Some shills will jump in and start calling me names without even reading the whole post. Once you’ve read the whole thing up until here - you understand who can sponsor to push these theories. Let them to reveal themselves, check their posts and their other comments, give your vote to the article and comments. Digital battlefield.
Which "scientific principle" are we misunderstanding? Einstenian gravity (fraud)? Special relativity (fraud)? General relativity (fraud)? Quantum mechanics (fraud)? Quantum superposition (fraud)? Newtonian gravity (fraud)? Dark matter and dark energy (frauds to uphold the gravity fraud)?
I've educated myself carefully on all of the above as well as the heliosexual MODEL (mental abstraction) for over 5 years.
I'd love to know which "scientific principle" we misunderstand. Are you sure you understand it/them?
As to the $60K, the offer is 100% legitimate. I'm friends with the guy who is offering it and I can guarantee he'll honor the bet.
I think you're afraid to discover you've been duped and your comment is a cognitive dissonance reaction. If you're afraid to claim your prize, give me your irrefutable scientific proof and I'll submit it and we can split the 3 bitcoin.
I'm the first guy in line totally prepared to change my mind at a moment's notice. If you've got an irrefutable proof, I'll return to the heliosexual side of the fence in a heartbeat.
I'm happy to debate you and show you how you don't have any science backing your MODEL, but rather scientism. I spent the first 3 years of my research looking for this proof because, believe it or not, I thought FE was a nutso conspiracy theory too. I didn't set out to join with what I thought were the whackjobs, my goal was to shut them down. Boy was I humbled.
Let's do it via DM. Show me your proof. If I can debunk it and it's scientifically sound, I'll submit it and we split the winnings with you. Sound like a plan?
Noteworthy is that, while I agree ib the sense that each of those is inadequate, for the most part, there's a foundation based on observation. Then you get the theorists who develop these mathematical models that diverge away from the foundation of what can be objectively measured.
Anyway, the most common areas where a principle is used but the effects at a planetary scale are not applied. First, is that liquids volume cannot be compressed, an effect that is neglible in a small scale. Next, how light bends in a fluid. There are others, for example, some extended family came to visit Canada from Texas, where they were commenting on how the sunset was several hours beyond what they were used to at that time of year.
Or, how the north star (polaris) is the only one that remains motionless and if a camera is left focused on that star can see the rest of the sky rotating around that.
These are ground observable factors that fit right in with a spherical planet that requires some very creative work to validate with a flat earth model.
No doubt the offer is sincere, the intent to pay out is not. The whole reason to put out that kind of offer is to say that "we put a reward and nobody came to claim it."
Observation is not a "Scientific Principle"
What relevance does this have to scientifically demonstrating the globe?
I'm still waiting on the "scientific principle".
More "Observations" that have a perfectly rational explanation on a motionless, non-rotating plane.
None I've heard that don't work equally as well on a motionless, non-rotating plane. But you're still dilly-dallying with "observations" and avoiding the scientific principles.
I personally vouch for the guy. And oh, BTW, there's a physics professor trying right this very minute to win the bitcoin. He's already been given a chance and he's trying again today. It's sincere. But he's gonna need a "scientific principle" to upend the FE research, not an "observation" that can be explained in more ways than one.
This just about covers all the methods as why I dislike debating this topic.
Observation is one of the more important parts of the scientific method. Anyway, I mentioned 2 of the main ones that covers a majority of the types of clips that people reference. It's just a matter of application.
Also, the stars rotating around the earth would create 1 pivot point, that this affect is different with different star groupings also at the southern hemisphere goes against that.
Right, but these observation arguments are intractable. No progress can be made. It's your opinion that these observations are only possible on a globe. My opinion is that these observations are equally possible on a plane. And round and round we go. No science involved.
Many flat earthers have done several good videos on what's happening with star observation. It really all comes down to perspective, the limits of human observation.
We hear the same thing all the time in the realm of "well if it's flat why can't I see Mt. Everest from my house"?. Just another example of the multitude of misunderstandings people have and are, what I see as, INSANELY DEFENSIVE of when a new idea is presented to them. I can't see it any other way than some form of insanity/brainwashing. Because why wouldn't someone consider what I'm saying? There is no ill intent. I'm either correct or incorrect, but there's no harm in considering what I'm saying, is there?
The fact of the matter is that the human eye cannot see any further than 3-6 miles. It's literally impossible due to the limits of human perception.
But we've all been led to believe that this is because of "earth curvature". This is the heliocentric explanation. They say this is why we can't see a boat heading out into the ocean after this 3-6 mile distance. But there are now literally THOUSANDS of videos done by hundreds of different people showing them zooming in with powerful camera telephoto lenses right on to the boat that couldn't be seen by the naked eye (when no zoom was used through the camera). This is a repeatable, verifiable SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENT that anybody with $1000 or one of these cameras can go do for themselves today. This is IRREFUTABLE PROOF, whether you like to hear that or not.
The most recent video I've seen demonstrates how a guy up in Utah was able to zoom in and see a laser light at night across a lake of over 21 miles. There should be 250 feet of "earth curvature" obstructing his view. But there is actually NONE. He's done dozens of these videos over the years of distances ranges from 5 to 21 miles at different times, different lakes, etc. And he's only one of hundreds that have done the same sort of thing. All of it demonstrates, irrefutable that this is IMPOSSIBLE on a globe with a radius of 3950 miles. IMPOSSIBLE!
We have videos of people zooming in on oil rigs out in the gulf or Mexico that are 13, 15 & 17 miles away from the beach. We have videos of people capturing mountain ranges on perfect times of the year and in ideal atmospheric conditions that are HUNDREDS of miles away. All of this is IMPOSSIBLE on a globe.
Thus, any and all "observations" that you feel can only be explained on a globe are easily dismissed nowadays because the SCIENCE.... THAT WE CAN PERFORM OURSELVES.... proves irrefutably that this isn't the case. As such, there MUST BE another explanation for your observations that works on a non-rotating plane. And many have already been offered.
This ship has already sailed. Several former noisy "globe earthers" have been forced to admit this little gem; "Well at best, you've disproved the radius of the earth is 3950 miles". I haven't heard much of anything from them lately as they ran off with their tails between their legs stating that perhaps the size of the earth is much larger than we've been told. That's a heckuva pointless retreat as GPS and all our maps and space programs would then have to have massive errors in them as well.
The simple fact is this; you, me or anybody else can use modern equipment to zoom in on and SEE objects 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 miles away with the same relative altitude. This is now IRREFUTABLE as there are now thousands of pieces of evidence. It can't be explained away. There are only two options. 1. All these hundreds of people are liars and deceivers. Or 2., they're right. There aren't any other options.
So you're left with this quandry:
You can decide that every single one of these people are liars and have doctored and photoshopped all their photos and videos or lied about the distances to trick their gullible viewers and there's no reason for you to give it another thought because this is the only POSSIBLE explanation. I say this option is a massive cop out but sadly the choice most are still making.
You decide it's a 99% chance they're all liars but just in case you go get your own $1000 camera with this telephoto lens and prove or disprove their claims yourself. Probably 50% of the FE community did just this, setting out to expose these liars, only to find out the people before them who were sharing the videos weren't lying after all (and that's how we have so many examples out there now).
You can ignore all the verifiable scientific evidence, that you yourself could personally confirm, and instead cling to your belief in your observations as being proof positive.
We could argue about "observations" for the rest of time and not get anywhere. I'm interested in provable, repeatable, verifiable science that doesn't come from the overlords (NASA). And ever single bit I can find confirms we live on a non-moving, non-rotating plane. I can't find a single example of any science supporting the globe. So the score is like 500 to 0 right now. Not even close.
So you see, there's nothing to "debate". If you decide all these zoom proofs are produced by hundreds of random liars and deceivers and instead prefer to put your faith in the government and physics professors providing no science sans ASSUMPTIONS being the honest ones, so be it. That's your opinion.
So let's eliminate any notions of observations and debate. If you've got some science that can prove the globe, I'm all ears. Just do me a favor and think it through and do your best to ensure the science you're choosing isn't based on one or more ASSUMPTIONS.
And to close, here's a great video showing like a dozen laser proofs from different people spanning as far as 24 miles. Are they all just a bunch of liars out to trick you for no material benefit? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQoz9aiNRzU&t=608s
I’ll bite. Take a look at my first comment on another branch of this reply tree, the one with seven observations about the sun.
And give me a consistent flat earth model that explains all that. With distances and equations and assumptions.
Also,
I hope you don’t mind me referring to the “flat brain” model if we’re doing this sort of thing.
I just think "Heliosexual" is a funny play on words living in today's world of maddness, no ill-intent intended. You can reference the open-minded vanguard any way you like. I'm not offended.
I responded directly to your 7 points. You are very common amongst the stunted-glober brethren. Despite mountains of scientific evidence disproving the globe, you aren't going to budge into you have a perfect MODEL (aka, "mental abstraction") to replace your fantasy MODEL. We see it all the time. Despite us demonstrating your model is broken in numerous places, none of it makes a difference because there isn't a 5-minute video that feeds you your replacement model. In fact, I don't think that would work either. Nothing will. This is some powerful brainwashing the Jesuits have indoctrinated the masses with since kindergarten.
But let's take a stab at your 7 points just for fun:
Agreed. All light sources appear circular.
Disagreed. The sun regularly changes optical sizes due to a whole host of factors. We do agree that the sun is ACUTALLY "one size" however. Nothing about this demands you must be on a globe or on a rotating ball.
As does anything else in the distance. On a flat road with evenly spaced telephone poles this is exactly what you see. Staring down a long hotel corridor you see the same. The sky(roof), ground(floor) and if indoors walls all eventually collapse into a single point. This is human optics 101. There's nothing unique about what you see in regards to the sun. The horizon always collapses at 3-6 miles (atmospheric conditions dependent).
And why does this matter? How would this be impossible on a non-moving, non-rotating plane? And be careful not to ASSUME your burning-ball of hydrogen gas is 93 million miles away. How would your perspective change if instead the sun was approximately 3300 miles away?
So what. Why is this significant in your mind?
Perfectly explainable on a non-moving, non-rotating plane. But this should also be the case in the so-called antarctic circle as well. And yet, there are no videos capturing this phenomenon. There are two OBVIOUS AND DELIBERATE fraudulent videos however that have been roundly and soundly debunked. Why do you suppose someone would make these fake videos anyway?
As I shared elsewhere in this post, we can fight over observations until the cows come home. You can dig in and BELIEVE that your observations can't possibly be explained on anything but a globe while I say they can be explained on both a globe and a non-moving, non-rotating plane. And nobody will budge because that's what humans do.
Or, we could produce VERIFIABLE, REPEATABLE scientific experiments that you, me or anybody else that cares to see for themselves could do - eliminating all NASA/University SCIENTISM which is infested with ASSUMPTIONS. It's the only way forward.
Turns out, there are hundreds of people all around the world doing these scientific experiments themselves all the time. And strangely, they keep disproving the globe. How could that be? Here's a brief 13-minute video demonstrating a mere dozen of these experiments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQoz9aiNRzU&t=608s
You can't explain all this away. It's so tiring. Hundreds if not thousands of videos like these have been produced for over 10 years now. There are only two possible explanations:
All these random people who stand to gain nothing from you are liars and deceivers just because they get a kick out of tricking their brothers.
NASA, the Jesuits and Free masons are liars and deceivers because they stand to gain a great deal from you, namely your unquestioning COMPLIANCE & OBEDIENCE to their artificial matrix of dog-eat-dog commercial warfare.
It's one or the other. Either there are hundreds of lowly peons that get their rocks off producing fake videos and tricking their fellow man or the all-powerful rulers have a vested interest in keeping you deaf, dumb and blind to your reality.
And you can even do one better and go out there and do the scientific experiment yourself if you find both explanations unsettling.
What do you think?
Let’s get something out of the way. How many people do you think make up the Illuminati etc.? Probably more than a few hundred, if I had to guess. So if it were one or the other- that I had to decide whether it was more likely that there are tens of thousands of malicious people working together to deceive me, or a couple hundred, you bet I’d say it’s more likely to be the hundred. But why is it just one or the other? Both the elites and these scammers are deceiving us- and there probably is overlap. (See the OP)
I watched your video of “evidence”. A handful of poorly set up and poorly documented “experiments” where many important claims such as “I set up the laser at this height all the way over there” are never shown to be true apart from a very blurry long-distance zoom. They also do not check to see if where they’re standing is the only place they see the laser. Light spreads out over a distance, especially with air in the way. You don’t know if you’re looking at the center of the beam or just the bottom edge. Regardless, all of that could easily be faked.
I also noticed that the comments were disabled. Censorship is a favorite tool of those who fear the truth. We see the same thing on Twitter and their “misinformation” campaigns. I’ve seen plenty of flat-earth disproving videos with their comments enabled. Not afraid.
I do place an emphasis on having a “model”, because models allow us to calculate, to predict. That is the core of what science is. Models are descriptions of the order of nature. (as opposed to chaos.) Imagine thinking that the Jesuits invented the idea that the world is stable and predictable in certain ways… Anyways, what I’m looking for is coherence. Our world does not self-contradict. Any attempt to describe it must account for all relevant phenomena. Also you have not demonstrated any “breaking” of the globe model so far. See above.
The point of my list of observations was to lay out the pieces that I expect any working model to put together. They are not individually proofs that the earth is round, nor that the earth is not flat. But together, they disprove false models. For the ones you don’t dispute, we are on the same page. This is a good start.
I am specifically referring to the shape of the object itself. Which you can see using the proper protective eyewear. I have. I have also seen a total solar eclipse, which makes the sun’s circular shape and moon-like “size” in the sky very obvious (I’m talking about angles here, the proportion of the sky taken up by it, not simply the size of the actual object.).
Yes, but! As something retreats into the distance, it also shrinks. This is not observed. Minor fluctuations from atmospheric effects, maybe. The sun appearing larger on the horizon? That’s part illusion and part atmospheric weirdness. How much each factor contributes is disputable, but regardless, this does not match the idea that the sun gets farther away. Therefore, if the sun is growing closer to or retreating from any point on the earth, it must be far enough away for this shrinking effect to be negligible. So either the sun is really big and far away, or the sun is always the same distance from any observer as it moves… always. In other words, the sun exists on a sphere centered around the observer. Now combine that second idea with the idea of time zones (multiple observers) and you get issues. That is why points 2, 3, and 5 matter. Point 4 exists to establish a symmetry. Globe models, disc models, and even cylinder models obey this symmetry- this is just to rule out the really odd proposals.
Please share this debunking so I can debunk it. Regardless, you surely acknowledge that the sun is almost never directly overhead, and that its path changes seasonally. That is all that is necessary here. Another phenomenon that any model must explain.
Oh, no, my friend… This is where math gets involved. You get to answer me some questions. How far away is the sun from the flat earth? If this distance changes, what variables cause these changes, and how? (you can write this in the form of a function). Let’s start with that. Then we can get into which flat map you favor, and the path you think light travels from the sun to the earth with. These are all questions that, if the world makes any sense, should be answerable.
Who literally have nothing to gain for all their efforts?
But you fail to point out the obvious. It's all IMPOSSIBLE...REGARDLESS... if there should be hundreds of feet of earth curvature between them. That's all that matters here. So it's all gotta be fake. Even the other 1000+ videos out there. All fakes, all lies, right? There ain't an honest flat-earther out there (most of whom set out to disprove flat earth in the beginning per chance). And the very best FE supporters were all such people, trying to prove the globe and disprove FE. Strains credulity, does it not?
Well I agree with you wholeheartedly on censorship. But this particular video was borrowed from Ben (Taboo Conspiracy) by Flat Earth Dave and Ben requested disabling comments. You can find many other videos that aren't censored.
I've never seen one. Hopefully you aren't talking about Not-A-Professor-Dave, the wholly brainwashed leftist marxist who supports teen gender transition? Do you have any other videos claiming to debunk FE? I'd love to see them if so.
I have nothing against models. I agree they can be highly useful. But we must agree that models are not REALITY. A model can be built where "the math works", as long as it has built-in ASSUMPTIONS associated with it. Such is the heliocentric model, and this simply cannot be denied.
Here's an hour-long video that not only "breaks", but utterly SHATTERS the globe model. If you've got the time and interest, here's a list of 20 solid refutations:
https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/TheTop20ProofsEarthisNotaSpinningGlobe:b
I agree, we see circles...and due to our indoctrination we then IMAGINE spheres.
There is a complex answer to your question. It requires a significant amount of time to explain. I can't pull it off due to character limitations. But the fundamental barrier to understanding is accepting the possibility that the "sun" is not a "thing" 93 million miles away, but rather a light/projection/reflection some 3000-4000 miles away. We can't even proceed if this is rejected out of hand by you. We'll just be talking past each other.
Here's the most popular 24-hr southern sun debunk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR4R8Id4B80
The FE model explains this perfectly as the sun traverses between the Tropic of Cancer and Capricorn every 365 days. For a very brief period only, the sun is directly above your location and it migrates between the two. And this obviously perfectly explains seasons, the closer the sun is to your location during this transit, the warmer, and vice versa. The globe model explanation is positively baffling (warmer and summertime when we're this unimaginable 3 million miles further away from the sun in the north... I think this has to do with that magical fee mason invented "tilt"...what is it again? 23.4 degrees? Hmmm? 90 degrees minus 23.4 degrees equals..... 66.6 whaaaaaaat? :).
Math is a model. With false assumptions, anybody can make "the math" work. This is the part you're unwilling to admit to I'm afraid. Allow me a few assumptions and I can build you a working model with "maths". But that doesn't mean it's REAL....because it's a mental abstraction. And I realize this is hard to accept...darn near impossible I'd guess.
Already mentioned this. The best we can estimate from ALL THE AVAILABLE RESEARCH (not just cabal-sanctioned textbooks and NASA) estimates range from 3000-4000 miles away. Here's a fascinating video by an alleged free mason explaining the FE model for your viewing interest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SMjVkJaq8w
Fascinating stuff regardless of whether you accept it as a possibility or not. It matches up very well with many ancient texts from a variety of cultures. This should not be overlooked as we're living out the movie (which was really a documentary) "Idiocracy" as we speak.
This is a complicated and time consuming topic as I mention above. I'll see what I can dig up in the next couple of days and start a single thread with some videos and explanations for you. Unfortunately you're won't get your FULL & COMPLETE "Model replacement" with it. We readily admit we don't know "everything" at this stage. We don't have that $60million dollar a day budget your trusted NASA team has. We're at a bit of a disadvantage on numerous fronts in this regard.
But I'm happy to stick with it if you are and we'll see where we get...