I rather like the Constitution, it was made to be built upon. If government cannot follow this one what makes anyone think that they are going to follow another? Seriously? Say it isn't so. Not all, anyway. Good foundation. Solid. Sturdy. A lot can be Repealed and Replaced. Anything that contradicts the Constitution or it's supporting documents, Bill of Rights, should be scrapped. Corporations are not people and are under the strict authority of the government to keep it's Masters safe from harm.
His meaning is that fraud nullifies any constitutional steps taken following the fraud. Once the fraud is discovered, any and all steps taken subsequent to and in faith of the fraud can be set aside, so that a new start can take place (a real election, not a faux election). Or, if it is clear that the fraud advantaged one side, grant the outcome to the remaining side.
There is the oft- repeated legal principle that "fraud vitiates everything." If fraud is discovered, and important legal consequences had followed from accepting the fraud as truth, then those consequences are nullified as being invalid fruit of the fraud.
We cannot use the Constitution to tie a noose of fraud around our neck, and then jump off the yardarm. We go back to the point of fraud, nullify whatever had proceeded, and re-enact events from that point. It will not be pretty...but executing people for treason will not be pretty, either, and there are plenty on this page that are good with that.
"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations and articles, even those found in the Constitution."
Lincoln faced a crisis of similar kind and magnitude. He suspended Habeus Corpus on a limited basis for a relatively short time. He did not "terminate" it.
If Trump has it as a goal, or a necessary step to reestablish our freedoms, to "terminate" the Constitution or major portions of it, and then to remake it in substantial form then I cannot support him or his plan.
The Declaration of Independence is the bedrock of America and of MAGA, and the Constitution is the codification of the principles derived from the Declaration.
These documents are not "sacred". Their principles are the foundations of human liberty. No other system, no other foundation is their equal.
What we are engaged in is a struggle for the preservation of these ideals. To call for the "termination" of these ideals is to turn our idealistic struggle upon itself as its own enemy.
All I can think is that Trump has misspoken himself. As far as I know the DOD Manual of War does not obviate or contradict the Constitution.
So what could he possibly mean by this statement that appears, quite clearly, to be entirely repugnant to the Constitution?
Years ago, Q responded directly to one of my posts that argued that if we lost the Constitution we would lose America with it. Q responded that the Constitution survives.
His meaning is that fraud nullifies any constitutional steps taken following the fraud. Once the fraud is discovered, any and all steps taken subsequent to and in faith of the fraud can be set aside, so that a new start can take place (a real election, not a faux election). Or, if it is clear that the fraud advantaged one side, grant the outcome to the remaining side.
Compare the Presidential Oarh of Office with the notion of "termination" of its Articles -
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
I rather like the Constitution, it was made to be built upon. If government cannot follow this one what makes anyone think that they are going to follow another? Seriously? Say it isn't so. Not all, anyway. Good foundation. Solid. Sturdy. A lot can be Repealed and Replaced. Anything that contradicts the Constitution or it's supporting documents, Bill of Rights, should be scrapped. Corporations are not people and are under the strict authority of the government to keep it's Masters safe from harm.
His meaning is that fraud nullifies any constitutional steps taken following the fraud. Once the fraud is discovered, any and all steps taken subsequent to and in faith of the fraud can be set aside, so that a new start can take place (a real election, not a faux election). Or, if it is clear that the fraud advantaged one side, grant the outcome to the remaining side.
Thank you!
And what is he basing this stance on? Is there any sort of legal precedent here?
There is the oft- repeated legal principle that "fraud vitiates everything." If fraud is discovered, and important legal consequences had followed from accepting the fraud as truth, then those consequences are nullified as being invalid fruit of the fraud.
We cannot use the Constitution to tie a noose of fraud around our neck, and then jump off the yardarm. We go back to the point of fraud, nullify whatever had proceeded, and re-enact events from that point. It will not be pretty...but executing people for treason will not be pretty, either, and there are plenty on this page that are good with that.
Thanks. Good points.
And all of what you say is basically Constitutional.
Very strongly disagree with this:
"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations and articles, even those found in the Constitution."
Lincoln faced a crisis of similar kind and magnitude. He suspended Habeus Corpus on a limited basis for a relatively short time. He did not "terminate" it.
If Trump has it as a goal, or a necessary step to reestablish our freedoms, to "terminate" the Constitution or major portions of it, and then to remake it in substantial form then I cannot support him or his plan.
The Declaration of Independence is the bedrock of America and of MAGA, and the Constitution is the codification of the principles derived from the Declaration.
These documents are not "sacred". Their principles are the foundations of human liberty. No other system, no other foundation is their equal.
What we are engaged in is a struggle for the preservation of these ideals. To call for the "termination" of these ideals is to turn our idealistic struggle upon itself as its own enemy.
All I can think is that Trump has misspoken himself. As far as I know the DOD Manual of War does not obviate or contradict the Constitution.
So what could he possibly mean by this statement that appears, quite clearly, to be entirely repugnant to the Constitution?
Years ago, Q responded directly to one of my posts that argued that if we lost the Constitution we would lose America with it. Q responded that the Constitution survives.
I do not believe that has changed.
So what does this post of Trump's mean?
This was a response to me.
DeathRayDesigner 1 point 2 hours ago +1 / -0
His meaning is that fraud nullifies any constitutional steps taken following the fraud. Once the fraud is discovered, any and all steps taken subsequent to and in faith of the fraud can be set aside, so that a new start can take place (a real election, not a faux election). Or, if it is clear that the fraud advantaged one side, grant the outcome to the remaining side.
Compare the Presidential Oarh of Office with the notion of "termination" of its Articles -
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."