Thanks all! It’s a personal choice to circumcise, I follow the Bible and God says to circumcise. I suppose everyone has their own opinion these days but that is what we plan to do.
That is not what Jesus said. He said in Matthew that he did not come to abolish the Torah or the prophets. So, what part of he did not come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets is so hard to understand? He said he came to fulfill the Torah and the Prophets. In a first century Jewish context the term to fulfill means to make full and give meaning - not to bring to completion or an end. Heaven forbid. That would be in complete antithesis to everything the Bible established up to that point as eternal. God's word does not contradict itself and what is eternal does not change. Jesus also followed up the statement about not coming to abolish the Torah or the Prophets with stating that anyone that violates the least of the commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the Kingdom. Those that keep the commandments and teach others to do the same will be called greatest in the Kingdom. The choice is ours.
Jesus did not do away with any of God's commandments - not one jot or tittle. Prophecies concerning the Messiah were not completely fulfilled with his first coming - he still has much left to do in the Kingdom. What confuses people is that the commandments are not the same for Gentiles as they are for Jews. Even with the Torah there are different commandments that apply differently to men, women, priests, high priests, foreigners, etc. The commandments of the Torah are not necessarily applied equally and with equal responsibility. There is no commandment for Gentiles to be circumcised - unless they were converting. Paul vigorously defended the right of Gentiles to remain as Gentiles and not be required to convert to be a part of the Kingdom. Any convert is brought under the full weight of the covenant to obey the Torah as a Jew. Paul did want to have Gentiles or Jews think that obtaining Jewish status was something more important than a believers faith in Messiah. He told the Gentile believers that becoming Jewish would not add anything to them. Faith in Jesus was enough to inherit eternal life. But to be clear, for someone that is already Jewish, belief in the Master does not suddenly abrogate their responsibility as a Jew.
If Gentiles want to circumcise as an act towards some kind of religious solidarity, then they need to understand circumcision within the context of Judaism since that is where it was birthed. Any other rationale they find must be acceptable to them whether they do it for health, personal conviction, etc. But as an act of faith, to remove circumcision from its Jewish moorings and claim it as some kind of religious obedience misses the point of the commandment and should not be done.
You misunderstand and I agree with your points. It has been turned into a sick business. My comment was not meant to be taken as an approval of a practice that has very significant religious significance to Jews. Jewish circumcision is not done in hospital. It is a religious ritual that is performed by a person specifically trained for this rite and is done either in synagogue or in a home. The medical community or any of their blood cult sick financial interests are no where to be seen. My point was that whatever reasons people use to circumcise their children, unless they are Jewish it should not have any religious significance placed upon it to somehow give it some validity.
In Messiah Yeshua there is neither Jew nor Gentile, male not female, slave nor free. This doesn’t mean churches should have unisex bathrooms. Even the most basic Gentile Christian understands that husbands have different Biblical commands to follow than their wives, and children have separate commands to parents. Church elders, deacons and teachers have different/stricter commands to follow as well.
We are all chosen but we don’t all have the same roles/callings.
Jew, Gentile, male, female, short, tall, eye, ear, nose, mouth, foot - we are all members of One Body - different roles but all connected to the same Head, our King Mashiach. And God forbid any of us should say that God has done away with any of His promises or changed His mind regarding His eternal covenants.
The way Gentile hospitals circumcise their babies is horrific and not kosher compared to traditional Jewish circumcision.
If there is even the tiniest doubt about the baby’s health, Judaism will postpone or completely forego the circumcision.
God also says in the Bible to not eat blood. But if you eat supermarket meat, the animals’ brains are spiked, and their hearts are stopped, before the blood can be drained properly.
So… do you REALLY follow the Bible? Or just your own private interpretation?
Anyway, maybe you don’t eat blood. No offense intended. My point is, if you are going to follow ritual elements of the Hebrew Scriptures, you can’t divorce them from the culture they created.
If you plan on circumcising your kids, please research it and be as safe as possible. Put your baby’s safety first. Maybe consider, if possible, using an MD who will perform the procedure the safer Jewish way.
I will trust a Jewish mohel more than a hospital. Nice handle dam tahor! You might want to take a gander at my reply in this comment thread. Boker tov.
That's certainly true if you're living in Old Testament times or are Jewish and think you must do it. Your mind was apparently made up from the start. I think that's sad but I wish you well.
God made us perfect. Why would God want us to cut off part of our children's most sacred organ? Sounds like some kind of tranny agenda to me. Hopefully they won't cut your son's whole weiner off accidentally. I've seen botched male infant circumcisions first hand. If you're 100% set on doing this to your child, do some research on the possible negative effects of the Vitamin K shots. Check out the following from the Vit. K package insert:
Warnings
Benzyl alcohol as a preservative in Bacteriostatic Sodium Chloride Injection has been associated with toxicity in newborns. Data are unavailable on the toxicity of other preservatives in this age group. There is no evidence to suggest that the small amount of benzyl alcohol contained in Vitamin K1 Injection (Phytonadione Injectable Emulsion, USP), when used as recommended, is associated with toxicity.
An immediate coagulant effect should not be expected after administration of phytonadione. It takes a minimum of 1 to 2 hours for measurable improvement in the prothrombin time. Whole blood or component therapy may also be necessary if bleeding is severe. Phytonadione will not counteract the anticoagulant action of heparin. When Vitamin K1 is used to correct excessive anticoagulant-induced hypoprothrombinemia, anticoagulant therapy still being indicated, the patient is again faced with the clotting hazards existing prior to starting the anticoagulant therapy. Phytonadione is not a clotting agent, but overzealous therapy with Vitamin K1 may restore conditions which originally permitted thromboembolic phenomena. Dosage should be kept as low as possible, and prothrombin time should be checked regularly as clinical conditions indicate.
Repeated large doses of vitamin K are not warranted in liver disease if the response to initial use of the vitamin is unsatisfactory. Failure to respond to vitamin K may indicate that the condition being treated is inherently unresponsive to vitamin K. Benzyl alcohol has been reported to be associated with a fatal “Gasping Syndrome” in premature infants. WARNING: This product contains aluminum that may be toxic. Aluminum may reach toxic levels with prolonged parenteral administration if kidney function is impaired. Premature neonates are particularly at risk because their kidneys are immature, and they required large amounts of calcium and phosphate solutions, which contain aluminum. Research indicates that patients with impaired kidney function, including premature neonates, who receive parenteral levels of aluminum at greater than 4 to 5 mcg/kg/day accumulate aluminum at levels associated with central nervous system and bone toxicity. Tissue loading may occur at even lower rates of administration.
Carcinogenesis, Mutagenesis, Impairment of Fertility
Studies of carcinogenicity, mutagenesis or impairment of fertility have not been conducted with Vitamin K1 Injection (Phytonadione Injectable Emulsion, USP).
Pediatric Use
Hemolysis, jaundice, and hyperbilirubinemia in neonates, particularly those that are premature, may be related to the dose of Vitamin K1 Injection. Therefore, the recommended dose should not be exceeded (see ADVERSE REACTIONS and DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION).
Adverse Reactions
Deaths have occurred after intravenous and intramuscular administration. (See Box Warning.) Transient “flushing sensations” and “peculiar” sensations of taste have been observed, as well as rare instances of dizziness, rapid and weak pulse, profuse sweating, brief hypotension, dyspnea, and cyanosis. Pain, swelling, and tenderness at the injection site may occur. The possibility of allergic sensitivity including an anaphylactoid reaction, should be kept in mind. Infrequently, usually after repeated injection, erythematous, indurated, pruritic plaques have occurred; rarely, these have progressed to scleroderma-like lesions that have persisted for long periods. In other cases, these lesions have resembled erythema perstans. Hyperbilirubinemia has been observed in the newborn following administration of phytonadione. This has occurred rarely and primarily with doses above those recommended. (See PRECAUTIONS, Pediatric Use.)
L&D RN for over 12 years. I highly suggest you do your research. And pray about it. There's a couple of stories in the bible where they trolled their enemies into getting circumcised only to murder them all after their penises were self-harmed.
Just saying... the globalists want to murder us all. Big Pharma wants to murder us all. Why trust what they put in ANY shot/vaccine that they push, especially for newborns, who have had SIDS (think SADS now with the COVID jabs) since pushing all of these increased amounts of infant shot in their shot schedules? Do you really trust an assigned pediatrician who you know nothing about to perform this life-altering surgery on your son? I've known several pediatricians who were so awful at circumcisions; they should have been hung for all of the botched circumcisions they did, but I was in military healthcare and there was no punishment for them. You'll sign your rights away with this waiver stating that you know the potential risks and decide to do this cosmetic surgery anyway.
Good luck, whatever you decide. Gentiles do not need to circumcise. Go study your bible more.
Thanks all! It’s a personal choice to circumcise, I follow the Bible and God says to circumcise. I suppose everyone has their own opinion these days but that is what we plan to do.
That is not what Jesus said. He said in Matthew that he did not come to abolish the Torah or the prophets. So, what part of he did not come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets is so hard to understand? He said he came to fulfill the Torah and the Prophets. In a first century Jewish context the term to fulfill means to make full and give meaning - not to bring to completion or an end. Heaven forbid. That would be in complete antithesis to everything the Bible established up to that point as eternal. God's word does not contradict itself and what is eternal does not change. Jesus also followed up the statement about not coming to abolish the Torah or the Prophets with stating that anyone that violates the least of the commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the Kingdom. Those that keep the commandments and teach others to do the same will be called greatest in the Kingdom. The choice is ours.
Jesus did not do away with any of God's commandments - not one jot or tittle. Prophecies concerning the Messiah were not completely fulfilled with his first coming - he still has much left to do in the Kingdom. What confuses people is that the commandments are not the same for Gentiles as they are for Jews. Even with the Torah there are different commandments that apply differently to men, women, priests, high priests, foreigners, etc. The commandments of the Torah are not necessarily applied equally and with equal responsibility. There is no commandment for Gentiles to be circumcised - unless they were converting. Paul vigorously defended the right of Gentiles to remain as Gentiles and not be required to convert to be a part of the Kingdom. Any convert is brought under the full weight of the covenant to obey the Torah as a Jew. Paul did want to have Gentiles or Jews think that obtaining Jewish status was something more important than a believers faith in Messiah. He told the Gentile believers that becoming Jewish would not add anything to them. Faith in Jesus was enough to inherit eternal life. But to be clear, for someone that is already Jewish, belief in the Master does not suddenly abrogate their responsibility as a Jew.
If Gentiles want to circumcise as an act towards some kind of religious solidarity, then they need to understand circumcision within the context of Judaism since that is where it was birthed. Any other rationale they find must be acceptable to them whether they do it for health, personal conviction, etc. But as an act of faith, to remove circumcision from its Jewish moorings and claim it as some kind of religious obedience misses the point of the commandment and should not be done.
You misunderstand and I agree with your points. It has been turned into a sick business. My comment was not meant to be taken as an approval of a practice that has very significant religious significance to Jews. Jewish circumcision is not done in hospital. It is a religious ritual that is performed by a person specifically trained for this rite and is done either in synagogue or in a home. The medical community or any of their blood cult sick financial interests are no where to be seen. My point was that whatever reasons people use to circumcise their children, unless they are Jewish it should not have any religious significance placed upon it to somehow give it some validity.
I liked the line about Oprah and Bullock.
Everything you typed is 100% backed by Scripture.
In Messiah Yeshua there is neither Jew nor Gentile, male not female, slave nor free. This doesn’t mean churches should have unisex bathrooms. Even the most basic Gentile Christian understands that husbands have different Biblical commands to follow than their wives, and children have separate commands to parents. Church elders, deacons and teachers have different/stricter commands to follow as well.
We are all chosen but we don’t all have the same roles/callings.
Jew, Gentile, male, female, short, tall, eye, ear, nose, mouth, foot - we are all members of One Body - different roles but all connected to the same Head, our King Mashiach. And God forbid any of us should say that God has done away with any of His promises or changed His mind regarding His eternal covenants.
Amen b'shem Yeshua.
The way Gentile hospitals circumcise their babies is horrific and not kosher compared to traditional Jewish circumcision.
If there is even the tiniest doubt about the baby’s health, Judaism will postpone or completely forego the circumcision.
God also says in the Bible to not eat blood. But if you eat supermarket meat, the animals’ brains are spiked, and their hearts are stopped, before the blood can be drained properly.
So… do you REALLY follow the Bible? Or just your own private interpretation?
Anyway, maybe you don’t eat blood. No offense intended. My point is, if you are going to follow ritual elements of the Hebrew Scriptures, you can’t divorce them from the culture they created.
If you plan on circumcising your kids, please research it and be as safe as possible. Put your baby’s safety first. Maybe consider, if possible, using an MD who will perform the procedure the safer Jewish way.
God bless you in Yeshua!
I will trust a Jewish mohel more than a hospital. Nice handle dam tahor! You might want to take a gander at my reply in this comment thread. Boker tov.
That's certainly true if you're living in Old Testament times or are Jewish and think you must do it. Your mind was apparently made up from the start. I think that's sad but I wish you well.
God made us perfect. Why would God want us to cut off part of our children's most sacred organ? Sounds like some kind of tranny agenda to me. Hopefully they won't cut your son's whole weiner off accidentally. I've seen botched male infant circumcisions first hand. If you're 100% set on doing this to your child, do some research on the possible negative effects of the Vitamin K shots. Check out the following from the Vit. K package insert:
Warnings
Benzyl alcohol as a preservative in Bacteriostatic Sodium Chloride Injection has been associated with toxicity in newborns. Data are unavailable on the toxicity of other preservatives in this age group. There is no evidence to suggest that the small amount of benzyl alcohol contained in Vitamin K1 Injection (Phytonadione Injectable Emulsion, USP), when used as recommended, is associated with toxicity.
An immediate coagulant effect should not be expected after administration of phytonadione. It takes a minimum of 1 to 2 hours for measurable improvement in the prothrombin time. Whole blood or component therapy may also be necessary if bleeding is severe. Phytonadione will not counteract the anticoagulant action of heparin. When Vitamin K1 is used to correct excessive anticoagulant-induced hypoprothrombinemia, anticoagulant therapy still being indicated, the patient is again faced with the clotting hazards existing prior to starting the anticoagulant therapy. Phytonadione is not a clotting agent, but overzealous therapy with Vitamin K1 may restore conditions which originally permitted thromboembolic phenomena. Dosage should be kept as low as possible, and prothrombin time should be checked regularly as clinical conditions indicate.
Repeated large doses of vitamin K are not warranted in liver disease if the response to initial use of the vitamin is unsatisfactory. Failure to respond to vitamin K may indicate that the condition being treated is inherently unresponsive to vitamin K. Benzyl alcohol has been reported to be associated with a fatal “Gasping Syndrome” in premature infants. WARNING: This product contains aluminum that may be toxic. Aluminum may reach toxic levels with prolonged parenteral administration if kidney function is impaired. Premature neonates are particularly at risk because their kidneys are immature, and they required large amounts of calcium and phosphate solutions, which contain aluminum. Research indicates that patients with impaired kidney function, including premature neonates, who receive parenteral levels of aluminum at greater than 4 to 5 mcg/kg/day accumulate aluminum at levels associated with central nervous system and bone toxicity. Tissue loading may occur at even lower rates of administration.
Carcinogenesis, Mutagenesis, Impairment of Fertility Studies of carcinogenicity, mutagenesis or impairment of fertility have not been conducted with Vitamin K1 Injection (Phytonadione Injectable Emulsion, USP).
Pediatric Use Hemolysis, jaundice, and hyperbilirubinemia in neonates, particularly those that are premature, may be related to the dose of Vitamin K1 Injection. Therefore, the recommended dose should not be exceeded (see ADVERSE REACTIONS and DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION).
Adverse Reactions
Deaths have occurred after intravenous and intramuscular administration. (See Box Warning.) Transient “flushing sensations” and “peculiar” sensations of taste have been observed, as well as rare instances of dizziness, rapid and weak pulse, profuse sweating, brief hypotension, dyspnea, and cyanosis. Pain, swelling, and tenderness at the injection site may occur. The possibility of allergic sensitivity including an anaphylactoid reaction, should be kept in mind. Infrequently, usually after repeated injection, erythematous, indurated, pruritic plaques have occurred; rarely, these have progressed to scleroderma-like lesions that have persisted for long periods. In other cases, these lesions have resembled erythema perstans. Hyperbilirubinemia has been observed in the newborn following administration of phytonadione. This has occurred rarely and primarily with doses above those recommended. (See PRECAUTIONS, Pediatric Use.)
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L&D RN for over 12 years. I highly suggest you do your research. And pray about it. There's a couple of stories in the bible where they trolled their enemies into getting circumcised only to murder them all after their penises were self-harmed.
Just saying... the globalists want to murder us all. Big Pharma wants to murder us all. Why trust what they put in ANY shot/vaccine that they push, especially for newborns, who have had SIDS (think SADS now with the COVID jabs) since pushing all of these increased amounts of infant shot in their shot schedules? Do you really trust an assigned pediatrician who you know nothing about to perform this life-altering surgery on your son? I've known several pediatricians who were so awful at circumcisions; they should have been hung for all of the botched circumcisions they did, but I was in military healthcare and there was no punishment for them. You'll sign your rights away with this waiver stating that you know the potential risks and decide to do this cosmetic surgery anyway.
Good luck, whatever you decide. Gentiles do not need to circumcise. Go study your bible more.