Part 1: https://greatawakening.win/p/16ZXepgIgZ/close-to-the-root-cause-of-our-p/
We've established that materialists hold only "matter" as a primary. They do not consider "consciousness" as a primary. That means that they believe that "consciousness" is a just an arrangement of matter, brought into existence by the causality of matter, dictated by the "laws of physics". This belief leads them to negate consciousness when they attempt to understand the nature of reality and their experience of life. Now, back to the doctors (physical scientists of the human body). The materialist doctor does not consider consciousness as a cause of disease. Let me prove that to you by presenting the explanation of disease from wikipedia:
"A disease is a particular abnormal condition that negatively affects the structure or function of all or part of an organism, and that is not immediately due to any external injury.[1][2] Diseases are often known to be medical conditions that are associated with specific signs and symptoms. A disease may be caused by external factors such as pathogens or by internal dysfunctions. For example, internal dysfunctions of the immune system can produce a variety of different diseases, including various forms of immunodeficiency, hypersensitivity, allergies and autoimmune disorders.
In humans, disease is often used more broadly to refer to any condition that causes pain, dysfunction, distress, social problems, or death to the person affected, or similar problems for those in contact with the person. In this broader sense, it sometimes includes injuries, disabilities, disorders, syndromes, infections, isolated symptoms, deviant behaviors, and atypical variations of structure and function, while in other contexts and for other purposes these may be considered distinguishable categories. Diseases can affect people not only physically, but also mentally, as contracting and living with a disease can alter the affected person's perspective on life."
Pay total attention to the very last sentence. They say that disease can affect a person's perspective on life. HELLO! HELLO PEOPLE! ARE YOU GETTING THIS? They believe that matter affects a person's perspective on life. They have the entire equation backwards. Disease is not pronounced "di-zeez". It's pronounced "dis-ease". When you have dis-ease, you are not at ease. Your consciousness is dis-eased by something. And the dis-ease of your consciousness is CAUSATIVE. It is part of the emergent causality that leads to "symptoms".
Let's look at COVID. I have posted before: "The cause of COVID is fear, not a fictitious virus. When you're scared, your bronchioles widen to give you more oxygen to 'fight or flight'. When you're not scared anymore, the extra temporary lung tissue is purged (broken down by bacteria) and you get 'symptoms'. The more scared you are, the worse your eventual symptoms will be. This one paragraph is the entire explanation of COVID and all colds or flus".
But instead of this 1-paragraph explanation, the materialists insist that the COVID symptoms are caused not by consciousness, but entirely by matter. They go to the most absurd lengths to believe in tiny, invisible floating particles called "viruses" that waft across the room from one person to another. They don't even pause one second to check their premises. The leftist materialists choose to believe that a vaccine will "create physical antibodies that do battle with the virus". The rightist materialists choose to believe that special pharmaceuticals like ivermectin and hydroxycloroquine will have some special effect one the cells and prevent the virus getting into them. Trust me, I have never laughed so hard.
The lengths that a materialist will go to, to maintain their nonsensical world view, instead of just accepting that consciousness is a primary is great indeed. And this raises the question: WHY???
Why do people insist that consciousness is not primary, when it obviously is? Here is the answer: because that would be a recognition of truth. It would be a recognition of the facts of reality. And recognition of the facts of reality CAUSES PAIN. Or rather, it causes us to experience the pain that we evaded when we were first confronted with it. Why do people who have a head full of falsehood block their ears when you try to explain the truth to them? Because you are pushing them toward the painful truth they are evading. Which truths? All of them. ALL OF THEM.
Materialism is a full-being negation of consciousness. It is a negation of self.
One of our efforts must be to help others to remember that they are conscious and that consciousness is a primary. Meaning that their consciousness plays a role in CAUSING their experience of life, especially their health. To cure their diseases, they must look inside at their dis-ease. Any attempted treatment of their dis-ease with borax, vitamin b12, ivermectin, mRNA is pure falsehood and only maintains their biological "coping" state.
Please wake people up by sharing this message.
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Any room for disagreement? If we have boron in the soil and our bodies need boron and it's low in some people and they are not getting what they need from the soil then why not take a supplement?
Every body is going to break down and die. I have arthritis but I don't think of it as a dis-ease. My hands are worn out, it's pretty obvious if you look at my hands. Without the boron I have been near crippled up. How old are you anyway?
Billions of people already disagree and have done so for centuries or more. I should be the one asking your mainstream position if there's any room for disagreement with you guys, because you dominate popular thought approximately 1,000,000 to 1.
By stating that you have arthritis, you state that you have "inflammation", as all "itis" words refer to inflammation. Inflammation is a biological special program coordinated by consciousness. Remember - not everyone gets arthritis. It is not a certain fact of aging. Some people get all the way into old age and death, without arthritis and without taking boron, even people who use their hands vigorously all their lives. You personally have arthritis because of the events in your life and your conscious reaction to them.
No I am not in the mainstream about health. Just the opposite. But my hands are missing the cartilage between my joints, which means it's bone on bone. And lack of boron has been proven to be the cause! Boron keeps my hands happy.
You're saying that everybody dies because of your theory, not because their bodies wear out. It's evidently not because of old age? Might want to rethink that, or are you going to live Forever?
What caused the first amount of cartilage to disappear? Are you suggesting that all of a sudden there was a lack of boron in your body and cartilage began to disappear? Why did this happen to you and not everyone?
"You're saying that everybody dies because of your theory". Kindly, show me where I expressed an opinion on the cause of death.
ok It happened to me because there is not enough boron in my vegetables because the soil was depleted of boron and probably other things as well. Other geographic location may have plenty of boron in the soil and has a lot less arthritis. proven. It is a scientific FACT that the sonovial fluid between the joints dries up as a person gets older. That's why people are shorter when they are older. the disc in the back shrink as one gets older, hence, shorter. Same with the hands. Ulcers are caused by a bacteria. Thank the lord we have antibiotics.
In regards to dying, it seemed you were implying what I stated. Sorry if I inferred in error. But we have to all die of something right?
If it's a scientific fact that the synovial fluid dries up as you age, why are there 90+ year olds who can do stunning gymnastics on parallel bars? Why are there 85+ year old ballet dancers who move better than most 20 year olds? Because it is not a FACT. Do not confuse "common experience" with "fact". Ulcers caused by bacteria... no. You have it in complete reverse. Your mind is so penetrated by physicalism that you believe that the very things that are repairing your tissue (bacteria) need to be killed by pharmaceuticals produced by the "big pharma". And you even thank the lord for such murderous abominations against nature. Did the CIA say that their brainwashing program will be complete when everything the public believes is false? We must be close!
I love the condescending attitude. Some people who are 85 may have enough boron in their body! Arthritis doesn't effect people that have plenty of boron in their body. FACT. I do like the Fact that you have not challenged my FACTS. Why is that? You are so set in your theology that there is NO room for any disagreement with you? Scientific proof by a doctor who didn't make any money off his research, because boron is so cheap and available to everybody. He had nothing to do with big pharma. They couldn't made any money off his solution. Do your own research. Live long and prosper! HARD STOP
You're not quite over the target here, Logic20xx. The material world is a manifestation of the primary consciousness of the universe, and that material includes our bodies -- which is why getting hit with a rock hurts and causes physical damage, for one example of millions.
OUR own personal consciousness is (according to Kaplan, see my previous comment) a dissociated smidge of the universal consciousness; it is That Which Experiences and is why we aren't just zombies reacting to events (like, say, a thermostat) without experiencing anything.
Nutrients, vitamins, bacteria, and a zillion other physical things are REAL, because the universal consciousness creates physical reality. That means there IS a physical reality that we inhabit and must deal with.
It seems that you have understood that I think "nutrients, vitamins, bacteria and a zillion other things" are not real, and that I think there is not a physical reality. Am I correct that you understood it this way? What did I say that made you understand it this way? I do not think this. Question: By stating that the material world is a manifestation of the primary consciousness of the universe, are you implying that matter is consciousness?
Ah. Yes, my bad. I was hurrying -- my wife was about to put dinner on the table -- and I didn't read your post with full comprehension. But your dismissal of physical things (b12, ivermectin, etc) as treatment for disease, along with "The lengths that a materialist will go to, to maintain their nonsensical world view, instead of just accepting that consciousness is a primary is great indeed" is what gave me the impression you were almost solipsistic in your view. (I actually agree with that sentence -- see below -- but "materialism" has several meanings and here it made me think again that you saw physical items as simply in mind). I apologize for posting a reply without having taken the time to read your post more carefully.
Your view that viruses are "fictious" reinforced my misconception, since van Leeuwenhoek we've known that microscopic life forms exist and that some DO affect our health; viruses are small enough (most of them, but not actually all) to require more than optical microscopes, but in an age of nano-tech, where individual atoms can be arranged to spell a word visible with a scanning tunneling microscope, there is really no good argument against the reality of viruses -- although there has been a concerted effort by trolls here to push the idea that viruses "don't exist." They do.
I agree with that whole-heartedly. I've never been able to make myself believe that consciousness can arise from some action of physical particles, no matter how they're arranged or what they're doing. It isn't called "the hard problem of consciousness" for nothing!
Kastrup's Idealism is the most compelling theory I've seen on the subject; he posits that matter is created by (or a component of) a universal consciousness, NOT that individual pieces of matter ARE conscious. Rocks and other non-living matter are not conscious, but brains of sufficient size and architecture basically snare and dissociate a bit of the universal consciousness, and that small bit of consciousness is the soul -- it is That Which Experiences, and is the reason we aren't just full-functioning Zombies.
I'm not saying Kastrup is completely right -- or right at all; I really don't know -- but it makes more sense to me than other theories I've seen, despite a few points that I disagree with or find unlikely.
And I fully agree with you that our consciousness impacts our health -- it's an important point -- but it is "primary" only in that all matter is created by universal consciousness. Your consciousness probably has nothing to do with an earthquake that drops a heavy piece of ceiling on your head. Physical things . . . are physical in life. Our feelings and conscious minds generally can play a big role in how we respond to what happens, but sometimes what happens is beyond anything consciousness can repair or even effect at all.
You and I are reasonably aligned philosophically. Let's focus in on this virus thing for a moment. It's not trolls advocating the stance that viruses don't exist. It's serious people like me who have invested hours upon hours upon hours of critical thought into the topic. I think I can prove to you that viruses don't exist.
I'd like to start with where your beliefs currently are. You seemed to imply that because technology is so good that it can spell out words with atoms and look at it, then clearly it's enough to "see viruses" and confirm their existence. I assume that you've also seen either pictures or video, where a "virus looking thing" was said to be a virus.
Can you please share with me your observations that have made you certain that these supposed "RNA viruses" have the nature of "viruses"? I know that you have not ever witnessed a video of a "virus" moving out from one host, into the air, and then into another host, and then moving into a cell and duplicating itself. So could you please tell me exactly what you've seen that makes you 100% certain that the things that you've seen, not only exist, but are indeed viruses.
True, and I've never seen a video of a brown recluse spider biting anyone, but I know it happens. I've also never seen a video or x-ray video showing the venom moving through the spider's fangs, but I don't doubt THAT happens either.
There is a century of evidence FOR the existence of viruses, and the theory that explains how (some) viruses cause disease explains the facts very well. The various theories that posit something ELSE causes, say, shingles or polio or COVID have far less explanatory power and physical evidence.
That's not to say that plenty of OTHER things don't impact health and make a person more likely to suffer symptoms, or to get worse symptoms, when infected by a virus. Stress, poor diet, pollution, lack of exercise, and many other things play a role in how the body handles parasites (which is what viruses and bacteria actually are).
I take a probiotic product that includes bacteriophages. As you probably know, bacteriophages are viruses that infect bacteria, and cultures of them have been used for decades as a form of antibiotic. They're making a comeback today because of antibiotic resistant bacterial strains.
https://www.qwant.com/?q=bacteriophage
There are many listings in that search, the one below includes a lot of detail and even some photographs of viruses:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteriophage
I'm a paid subscriber to Steve Kirsch's substack, and he frequently offers to debate people about the efficacy and safety of the COVID "vaccines" -- with no takers, despite him offering $1 million for anyone who can show where he's actually wrong. He has done the same for the "viruses aren't real" crowd, and with the same results.
Lots of detail in the two pieces below:
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/if-viruses-dont-exist-then-how-can
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/1m-bet-rules
A snippet from the "if viruses don't exist" link above:
I agree with you that we seem largely aligned philosophically, and it was probably a bit rude of me to use the term "trolls" regarding the "viruses don't exist" crowd, but I've dealt with a barrage of them and I have come to believe that most of those I've interacted with ARE trolls, and I'm tired of it. So let's agree to disagree on this topic -- one of the realizations I've come to about the topic is that it is a side-issue (at least for me) that doesn't really change anything I'm interested in right now. If something actually convinced me that viruses don't exist, that would be interesting -- I love learning new things and a LOT of Standard Beliefs are clearly wrong -- but there are other topics I'm far more focused on.
Can you admit that you ‘believe’ viruses exist, as opposing to ‘knowing’ viruses exist? It doesn’t appear that you have any personal direct observation, only inductive reasoning.
Direct observation? No, and I don't expect to ever have such. Not of viruses, not of continental drift, not of the composition of Jupiter's atmosphere (or of the Earth's atmosphere, for that matter).
Plenty of good, scientific-level data about such things, though -- yes. Plenty of more than reasonable, well-supported theory about such things -- again, yes.
Direct observation about quite a lot of things is either impossible or hard to come by; doesn't mean they don't exist. I have no direct observation proving YOU exist, for instance, and with AI bots now a thing, your existence is, to me, probably less likely than the existence of viruses.
I will say this: EVERYTHING I know is provisional. Unexpected things are common, and if you browse scientific websites daily you know that almost every damn day something that "science" knew to be fact is proven wrong. Sometimes it's a big, long-held theory; sometimes it's just a seemingly small item that "everyone knew" was caused by X and instead it turns out to be caused by Y. So I'm open to the possibility that viruses don't exist, but as I said, not very concerned about the topic, both because I have high confidence in their existence and because it's not an issue that will change much that I presently care about. I'd still take supplements to help my immune system keep me healthy, because there's an OCEAN of evidence that they do so, including my own personal experience. I'd still exercise to help keep myself healthy, for the same reasons. And so on.
Two sources providing support for at least a part of your message:
Luke: 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. ~ Jesus of Nazareth, as quoted by the Apostle Luke and translated into English for the King James edition of the Bible
The Idea of the World: A Multi-Disciplinary Argument for the Mental Nature of Reality by Bernardo Kastrup
From the book's Amazon page: