But the "reason for the war" was that stated didn't have that right even though we divorced England in The Declaration of Independence. The generals from West Point studied from a government textbook that proclaimed that right.
Actually, it was the Crown, first the Parliament and then the King, that abdicated rule in the Colonies by removing them from the protection of the Empire and making war on them as if they were enemy states. See the Prohibitory Act, John Adams and James Wilson.
The Declaration of Independence simply stated the reality that the colonies were already independent states, but now bound them together as a new nation with a confederated form of government. Up until July 1776, the Union had existed since 1774 but only in an economic sense while maintaining the claim of being loyal British subjects.
What happened in 1860, was in no way similar. 10 states attempted to steal an election and when they failed, they engaged in insurrection and rebellion, violating numerous parts of the Constitution. It was the culmination of over 6 decades of what I call the Dominos of Disunion Conspiracy, spurred on by Europeans intent on destroying the USA from within by causing division and chaos.
We supported Texas in their succession from Mexico. I need to find the name of the book that Generals like Lee et all studied at West Point that proclaimed succession as a right. You truly think that people that left a union the British Empire would lock themselves into an unbreakable union? That is very naive.
More accurately, American filibusters (term created later but retroactively applied well describes who they were) instigated an illegal rebellion in Mexico's Tejas. Why? Because the slaver powers in charge of the USA were pissed that Mexico wouldn't sell us Tejas. Yes, we tried but failed to buy it prior to the Texas rebellion. Stir up trouble in Tejas. Convince the Tejanos, the Mexicans, already living there that their government was evil and fuel an independence movement. Of course it worked so well that we did one even better by exploiting the Texas success into instigating a direct war with Mexico unlike the previous proxy war (Teja rebellion) in order to secure Texas with a border further south, California and what would become AZ and NM.
The Founder truly envisioned and hoped for a perpetual Union. That was the plan. They certaily acknowledged the challenges. Where they were naive was not contemplating that foreign agent would be wise enough to fight covert wars by stirring up internal domestic chaos as opposed to fighting us directly in a declared war.... 1812 made the British and the rest of the Europeans realize that a conventional not war against the USA wasn't winnable.
I personally agree that there is a right to secede but the North fought to keep the South and the South lost, and in reality we all lost shortly after with the DC Organic Act of 1871
But the "reason for the war" was that stated didn't have that right even though we divorced England in The Declaration of Independence. The generals from West Point studied from a government textbook that proclaimed that right.
Actually, it was the Crown, first the Parliament and then the King, that abdicated rule in the Colonies by removing them from the protection of the Empire and making war on them as if they were enemy states. See the Prohibitory Act, John Adams and James Wilson.
The Declaration of Independence simply stated the reality that the colonies were already independent states, but now bound them together as a new nation with a confederated form of government. Up until July 1776, the Union had existed since 1774 but only in an economic sense while maintaining the claim of being loyal British subjects.
What happened in 1860, was in no way similar. 10 states attempted to steal an election and when they failed, they engaged in insurrection and rebellion, violating numerous parts of the Constitution. It was the culmination of over 6 decades of what I call the Dominos of Disunion Conspiracy, spurred on by Europeans intent on destroying the USA from within by causing division and chaos.
We supported Texas in their succession from Mexico. I need to find the name of the book that Generals like Lee et all studied at West Point that proclaimed succession as a right. You truly think that people that left a union the British Empire would lock themselves into an unbreakable union? That is very naive.
More accurately, American filibusters (term created later but retroactively applied well describes who they were) instigated an illegal rebellion in Mexico's Tejas. Why? Because the slaver powers in charge of the USA were pissed that Mexico wouldn't sell us Tejas. Yes, we tried but failed to buy it prior to the Texas rebellion. Stir up trouble in Tejas. Convince the Tejanos, the Mexicans, already living there that their government was evil and fuel an independence movement. Of course it worked so well that we did one even better by exploiting the Texas success into instigating a direct war with Mexico unlike the previous proxy war (Teja rebellion) in order to secure Texas with a border further south, California and what would become AZ and NM.
The Founder truly envisioned and hoped for a perpetual Union. That was the plan. They certaily acknowledged the challenges. Where they were naive was not contemplating that foreign agent would be wise enough to fight covert wars by stirring up internal domestic chaos as opposed to fighting us directly in a declared war.... 1812 made the British and the rest of the Europeans realize that a conventional not war against the USA wasn't winnable.
I personally agree that there is a right to secede but the North fought to keep the South and the South lost, and in reality we all lost shortly after with the DC Organic Act of 1871