Arguably does nothing, or is harmful like a slow acting poison.
So now you are denying that the vaccine is killing people? I know 5 people who have died shortly after taking it with the exact symptoms that make sense with all of the investigations into this particular vaccine (it's not really a "vaccine" at all, but a genetic immuno-therapy, but that's splitting hairs if you don't even understand the danger of this shit). But even if it is a poison, my point was against your protest of "small amounts of small things doing so much damage to large things is ridiculous" (paraphrased). It can be a "poison," which is a small thing (often a simple molecule) that can kill, paralyze, or otherwise debilitate in very small quantities (depending on the poison). My protest was against your argument. No matter how you slice it, it falls apart trivially against any evidence whatsoever.
I don't deny that the immune system learns. However, the evolutionary pressure this places on the putative virus particle is fantastic and can't be believed. It's evolving this rapidly, yet presents as the exact same illness millennium after millennium?
I don't even know where to begin with this one. Let me try to pick out one thing. Let's assume that a virus exists but doesn't mutate. Then a certain amount of people will get sick, and then they will all be immune. Of course immunity doesn't always last forever (though sometimes for an individual it does if you remain healthy), but it certainly won't last forever in a population, especially because not everyone is going to encounter the virus (most likely). There is no reason to suppose a virus can't lay dormant, they are often quite hardy if they are in the right environment, so then, when it comes around again? Other members, with compromised immunity or just people who didn't get sick the first time, get sick.
OK, eventually all those people die off, and then the virus comes around again. Now there is a whole new fresh group of people that have never encountered the virus, and so the cycle continues ad infinitum.
That doesn't require a single "evolution" of the virus. Jesus, again, there are so many assumptions and false (or goes directly against basic biology) in your statement I could go on with this one all day, so I will stop here.
Look, I'm not going to tell you your conclusions are wrong. I will say that they go against the most basic experimental evidence however. From my perspective it also appears that your conclusions show a lack of having studied that evidence, which makes having any meaningful discussion about it problematic. I'm not asking you to "trust the science." I'm not asking you to trust me. But we can't even converse about this because:
a) you seem to believe you must be correct, and there is literally zero evidence that could be presented that you would even consider.
b) you believe that science must be incorrect in all cases.
c) you don't really want to listen to anything that doesn't confirm your beliefs.
So now you are denying that the vaccine is killing people? I know 5 people who have died shortly after taking it with the exact symptoms that make sense with all of the investigations into this particular vaccine (it's not really a "vaccine" at all, but a genetic immuno-therapy, but that's splitting hairs if you don't even understand the danger of this shit).
Yeah, slow acting poison. In contrast with fast acting poisons, small amounts of which can easily kill you, like fentanyl.
But even if it is a poison, my point was against your protest of "small amounts of small things doing so much damage to large things is ridiculous" (paraphrased). It can be a "poison," which is a small thing (often a simple molecule) that can kill, paralyze, or otherwise debilitate in very small quantities (depending on the poison).
Go fight a bear then. Go fight a bear that's millions of times your size. We're not talking about critically toxic chemicals like fentanyl, we're talking about a microorganism mounting an attack on a human and actually having a fighting chance. It's ludicrous. If you fall prey to such pitifully weak organisms, it's because you're very ill to begin with and they're just opportunistic scavengers.
I don't even know where to begin with this one. Let me try to pick out one thing. Let's assume that a virus exists but doesn't mutate. Then a certain amount of people will get sick, and then they will all be immune. Of course immunity doesn't always last forever (though sometimes for an individual it does if you remain healthy), but it certainly won't last forever in a population, especially because not everyone is going to encounter the virus (most likely). There is no reason to suppose a virus can't lay dormant, they are often quite hardy if they are in the right environment, so then, when it comes around again? Other members, with compromised immunity or just people who didn't get sick the first time, get sick.
OK, eventually all those people die off, and then the virus comes around again. Now there is a whole new fresh group of people that have never encountered the virus, and so the cycle continues ad infinitum.
We get the same flu over and over throughout our lifetimes. I agree, it lies dormant. If it enters your body and determines you're healthy, it immediately does so. If it previously made you sick and lost, you don't sterilize your body of that microorganism, it goes back into hiding and waits again.
In my case, they're all there, dormant, never becoming active, because my body never gives them the conditions in which to do so. In people who get sick regularly, they're constantly fighting the same microorganisms over and over.
we're talking about a microorganism mounting an attack on a human and actually having a fighting chance.
Are you suggesting that bacteria can't harm people either? Where does your sanitation argument fit into that? What could sanitation possibly accomplish in the health regime other than reduce bacterial breeding grounds?
We get the same flu over and over throughout our lifetimes. I agree, it lies dormant. If it enters your body and determines you're healthy, it immediately does so. If it previously made you sick and lost, you don't sterilize your body of that microorganism, it goes back into hiding and waits again.
I'm not sure what to say to this, but in this concept of "the flu," what is the flu?
they're constantly fighting the same microorganisms over and over.
Wait, so its a microorganism that can make you sick and possibly kill you, but you are also saying:
we're talking about a microorganism mounting an attack on a human and actually having a fighting chance. It's ludicrous.
Are you suggesting that bacteria can't harm people either? Where does your sanitation argument fit into that? What could sanitation possibly accomplish in the health regime other than reduce bacterial breeding grounds?
There are people, such as myself, who can eat raw chicken and other foods liable to make one sick, in small quantities. The small amount of microbes present in such meals simply don’t stand a chance against a human in good shape. If I ate it daily it would be a different story.
With sanitation the issue is keeping the level of microbes in one’s environment and thus, in one’s body, low enough that they don’t become a threat.
Of course, none of this has anything to do with viruses, which only multiply in their hosts. Given that, you’d think sanitation wouldn’t affect viral infectious diseases. Yet it does!
I'm not sure what to say to this, but in this concept of "the flu," what is the flu?
The symptoms one experiences when one’s body’s latent population of microbes becomes large enough to threaten one. In a healthy person this event might almost never take place.
So you admit that viruses and bacteria likely exist and that they make people sick, sometimes even very sick or kill them. Is that true? It's still pretty confusing.
As for the rest, you seem to be espousing certain elements of nutrition as if you think I disagree. I don't. I agree completely. I also eat raw meat, and there is no reason to limit yourself to "sometimes." On the contrary, I am starting to think that "cooking" is, and has always been harmful, though it may be just cooking at certain (high) temperatures. More research is needed.
Your body can handle anything it is prepared to handle. I wouldn't suggest eating raw meat from just anywhere. Like, don't buy chicken at the grocery store (unless it is sourced from a local farm that you know). The processing methods in general are far from sanitary, and some bacteria can kill you in smaller numbers than others (certain strains of e. coli found in chicken and/or beef are particularly nasty). You won't find those bacteria in well processed meat. It is the processing methods that introduce the bacteria.
Having said that, even there, with a healthy immune system, you will likely be far better off than someone who doesn't have one. That is very rare though, and has absolutely nothing to do with your theory of a "covid scam" (which I wholeheartedly agree exists, just not in the way you suggest it).
So now you are denying that the vaccine is killing people? I know 5 people who have died shortly after taking it with the exact symptoms that make sense with all of the investigations into this particular vaccine (it's not really a "vaccine" at all, but a genetic immuno-therapy, but that's splitting hairs if you don't even understand the danger of this shit). But even if it is a poison, my point was against your protest of "small amounts of small things doing so much damage to large things is ridiculous" (paraphrased). It can be a "poison," which is a small thing (often a simple molecule) that can kill, paralyze, or otherwise debilitate in very small quantities (depending on the poison). My protest was against your argument. No matter how you slice it, it falls apart trivially against any evidence whatsoever.
I don't even know where to begin with this one. Let me try to pick out one thing. Let's assume that a virus exists but doesn't mutate. Then a certain amount of people will get sick, and then they will all be immune. Of course immunity doesn't always last forever (though sometimes for an individual it does if you remain healthy), but it certainly won't last forever in a population, especially because not everyone is going to encounter the virus (most likely). There is no reason to suppose a virus can't lay dormant, they are often quite hardy if they are in the right environment, so then, when it comes around again? Other members, with compromised immunity or just people who didn't get sick the first time, get sick.
OK, eventually all those people die off, and then the virus comes around again. Now there is a whole new fresh group of people that have never encountered the virus, and so the cycle continues ad infinitum.
That doesn't require a single "evolution" of the virus. Jesus, again, there are so many assumptions and false (or goes directly against basic biology) in your statement I could go on with this one all day, so I will stop here.
Look, I'm not going to tell you your conclusions are wrong. I will say that they go against the most basic experimental evidence however. From my perspective it also appears that your conclusions show a lack of having studied that evidence, which makes having any meaningful discussion about it problematic. I'm not asking you to "trust the science." I'm not asking you to trust me. But we can't even converse about this because:
a) you seem to believe you must be correct, and there is literally zero evidence that could be presented that you would even consider.
b) you believe that science must be incorrect in all cases.
c) you don't really want to listen to anything that doesn't confirm your beliefs.
Yeah, slow acting poison. In contrast with fast acting poisons, small amounts of which can easily kill you, like fentanyl.
Go fight a bear then. Go fight a bear that's millions of times your size. We're not talking about critically toxic chemicals like fentanyl, we're talking about a microorganism mounting an attack on a human and actually having a fighting chance. It's ludicrous. If you fall prey to such pitifully weak organisms, it's because you're very ill to begin with and they're just opportunistic scavengers.
We get the same flu over and over throughout our lifetimes. I agree, it lies dormant. If it enters your body and determines you're healthy, it immediately does so. If it previously made you sick and lost, you don't sterilize your body of that microorganism, it goes back into hiding and waits again.
In my case, they're all there, dormant, never becoming active, because my body never gives them the conditions in which to do so. In people who get sick regularly, they're constantly fighting the same microorganisms over and over.
Are you suggesting that bacteria can't harm people either? Where does your sanitation argument fit into that? What could sanitation possibly accomplish in the health regime other than reduce bacterial breeding grounds?
I'm not sure what to say to this, but in this concept of "the flu," what is the flu?
Wait, so its a microorganism that can make you sick and possibly kill you, but you are also saying:
...
There are people, such as myself, who can eat raw chicken and other foods liable to make one sick, in small quantities. The small amount of microbes present in such meals simply don’t stand a chance against a human in good shape. If I ate it daily it would be a different story.
With sanitation the issue is keeping the level of microbes in one’s environment and thus, in one’s body, low enough that they don’t become a threat.
Of course, none of this has anything to do with viruses, which only multiply in their hosts. Given that, you’d think sanitation wouldn’t affect viral infectious diseases. Yet it does!
The symptoms one experiences when one’s body’s latent population of microbes becomes large enough to threaten one. In a healthy person this event might almost never take place.
So you admit that viruses and bacteria likely exist and that they make people sick, sometimes even very sick or kill them. Is that true? It's still pretty confusing.
As for the rest, you seem to be espousing certain elements of nutrition as if you think I disagree. I don't. I agree completely. I also eat raw meat, and there is no reason to limit yourself to "sometimes." On the contrary, I am starting to think that "cooking" is, and has always been harmful, though it may be just cooking at certain (high) temperatures. More research is needed.
Your body can handle anything it is prepared to handle. I wouldn't suggest eating raw meat from just anywhere. Like, don't buy chicken at the grocery store (unless it is sourced from a local farm that you know). The processing methods in general are far from sanitary, and some bacteria can kill you in smaller numbers than others (certain strains of e. coli found in chicken and/or beef are particularly nasty). You won't find those bacteria in well processed meat. It is the processing methods that introduce the bacteria.
Having said that, even there, with a healthy immune system, you will likely be far better off than someone who doesn't have one. That is very rare though, and has absolutely nothing to do with your theory of a "covid scam" (which I wholeheartedly agree exists, just not in the way you suggest it).