This will be the first of many posts i hope to share with all of you as i read a 6 book series on Neurolinguistic Programming (NLP). I made a post prior on how the Holy Ghost led me to this book series. Please take the time to read it if you would like context to the posts I'll be making today and in the future.
In short; I believe God has revealed to me that Q's main tactic of disseminating info to us is via NLP. It is my humble opinion that all mankind has been affected by mkultra to some extent and its roots are in language barriers of those that are inhibited by mkultra and do not know it. I further believe that mkultra is the literal method by which satan manipulates believers and nonbelievers alike. By distorting, deleting, or generalizing the Truth. Look no further than genesis and ask yourselves if this is not the case.
It's the same format that is distorted to create mkultra slaves and post Cathy Obrien's testimony, i have found that the exact reverse frees minds. You are welcome to contest what i share and if the mods come to find an issue with this, please reach out to me if this belongs on another board. I will post this to the prayer garden as well because i am certain that these tactics existed and were first created and used by Jesus Christ the Son of God. So in conjunction with these posts i intend to leave it for open discussion and i will be adding Bible references to yield to and see the Holy Spirit glorify God in Jesus Christ. I'll be sharing terms and examples for anyone to look through and learn about this book series. I recommend buying the whole series which i will always link my original post at the bottom of each post for any new folk who wish to know what they are. I pray in Jesus name God gives me the Holy Ghost to properly covey this therapy book series and direct all glory back to God in the Bible. In Jesus name amen.
Anyways here is the first post:
Models: What is a model? A model is a representation by which an individual views the world they exist in. It's a representation of what they perceive; not what actually exists. Models define a large portion of why to one person a Bible is the most sacred book in comparison to any book ever written, whereas to the person who was abused by a molester who quoted verses to the victim while they were being abused has little to no love for the Bible, by the victims own admission.
If we look at the book of Job we can see the manifestation of this:
Job chapters 15-17
We see Eliphaz, who is one of Job's friends. Making cruel and judgemental statements toward Job, blaming him for the suffering he is enduring. Whereas from Job's perspective, his friends are being as he put it in chapter 16 "miserable comforts are ye all".
This is a representation on how 2 people look at the same thing but see 2 different scenarios. Now as the Bible believing Christian asserts via the scriptures; there is another model. But this one is the True model because it was made by the Modeler (God). Whom in chapter 1 asserts that Job IS perfect. So we have an issue where we see that Job's friends presumptuous statements about evil hypocrites suffering God's judgement, albeit biblically correct, are attributing it to Job. Job maintaining his stance that though he knows he's without fault, will not quarrel with God's judgements. Yet later in the Bible in the latter chapters of Job, even Job is reprimanded by God. Job didn't have the full picture and neither did his friends. God didn't tell Job about His bet that He made with satan. Which segways into the next vocabulary term.
Surface Structures: So when we hear any affected by impoverished surface structures speak, we are often given a general statement of their model.
I.e.
"I am scared"
We have here a surface structure statement, but what it lacks is details that the questioner can ask to revive and enrich the model of the person who is scared.
Before going further try for yourselves to think of some questions to ask.
- Who or what are your scared of?
- What about that person or thing makes you have feelings of fear?
..To name a few.
Which leads into a deep structure.
Deep structures: Are expanded more detailed manifestations of the surface structure.
I.e.
"I'm scared of you because you remind me of my father. "
Which we can go deeper and ask.
"What about me reminds you of your father?"
And they respond with, "I don't know; i think it's the way you look."
"What about the way i look reminds you of your father?"
(This is a process that can continually reach deeper into the client/ friend/ family to not only reveal missing details to you to better help them, but also for them to revive their model with more information and thereby reviving them of the povertous surface structure they were using to model their world before you challenged it. Now with the new information, they will have more linguistic tools at their OWN disposal to break out of that fear that they have believed they are bound to.
My fellow pedes; welcome to the introduction of NLP
Original post with links to other lessons and vocabulary list https://greatawakening.win/p/16ZqKte9n7/testimony-of-a-purpose-and-direc/
Expect the next post this week.
You're familiar with re-frame aren't you?
Yes as a beloved child of Jesus, I graduated as NLP prac. in 2002.
Just so you know, NLP are behavioral strategies humans generally learn before starting public school, & are mostly established when children are 10 years old.
All that Bandler & Grindler did was de-code patterns, & write books about what we do Naturally but are Not consciously aware of. - And then other NLPer's added their own techniques to them such as TLT = Time-Line Therapy another immensely helpful Skill easily learned.
What about NLP do you want to specifically know, Jtap ?
Jtap, Amanda and me have been having a weekly voice chat where he has been sharing everything he has learned about this. He has grown alot in it. I'm excited to see what God is gonna show him with this.
Amazing... that a few christians are Interested, as far too many are Totally Walled/Closed-off, thinking it's "demonic" ---- when in reality Every human Sub-consciously practices these things BECAUSE this is how God/Jesus us created in the first place, Ryan.
Whether it is evil, or GOOD = lies in is Intent =
---> the govt. & the AMA, & schools, & far too many parents use it for EVIL.
BUT
---> when consciously learned & used for GOOD in Relationships plus therapy it can be a blessed LIFE-changer.
Yes as I learn more and more about it, I am realizing the truth of what u said above. We have been meeting every Tuesday for 1.5 hours to talk about it. Jonathan is new in it but learning quick. I'm excited to continue to learn about it. I'm really glad to see u found this post. Was praying u would.
I'm hoping to learn that code we unconsciously do that Jesus implanted on us. The LORD led me to it. I don't know if you read my testimony post. If not please go read it, sister. You've brought me MUCH excitement knowing you already studied all of bandler and grinder. I just got all 8 books they did together and I'm super elated to read it. I believe God led me to it to truly help people and I believe they stumbled on what appears to be a codified ensample of how Jesus Christ reached out and reaches out to us in the Word by the Holy Spirit. I see it helping others and myself break mkultra programming placed on us long ago the same way Jesus shook the world views of those He touched when He walked the earth. So my goal is to, by language, help Christians and neighbors alike expand their Models so that they are not bound as they have been and felt by the enemy. To loose them in the name of Jesus Christ by language, and in specific the language found in the Word of God.
On reading your response the 1st. time - I was seriously concerned, but I waited.
On reading your response Again, I asked Jesus: how to best bring you to the Truth.
Now, I just ask you Jtap, are you still Open to getting on the Right path?
for Starters, are you Aware of such Facts as
Consuming lots of alcohol & drugs, he threatened to kill several others & self-admitted he is “a bit sociopathic”.
Both Bandler & his buddy Grinder are Atheists - very common amongst shrinks & also NLPers.
The 3 psychotherapists these 2 mostly Studied/de-coded & then patterned themselves after = Fritz Perls, creator of Gestalt therapy. & Virginia Satir family psychotherapist who wrote on Richard Bandler in 1988: ”He seemed malnutritioned (physically & emotionally).He gained my sympathy with his intelligence, but meanwhile I was feeling in him a great instability & inner uncertainty.”, & Milton Erikson supposedly a (hypno-therapist.= wrong)
a Trance is NOT hypnosis. As anyone who actually is a hypnotherapist can easily prove to you.
So question for you = Why read (8 of their books for 'decoding', - when without them), you can SAFELY-Stay on God/Jesus' path in how HE created you in Soul + Mind (not brain) + Body, & thus
learn How we unconsciously do what Jesus created in us, & make it Conscious....
learn how to Naturally Joyfully live, plus
Facilitate... exquisite Emotional states in also others, &
guide each Unique individual's Desired-outcomes for example = self-healing & further developments..., JTap.
I appreciate your concerns, sister. I can't express fully other than God through dreams led me to this. A good book from fellow Christians who took back NLP to DE- program Cathy Obrien observed that NLP at its core is supposed to enrich the lives of those it is used on insomuch as I've discovered from my own reading. Indeed it lacks the bridle of the WORD of God which I believe is why God led me to it.
Einstein has been claimed to day "coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. "
To that I report to you and all reading my message to you. My intent is to see NLP's usefulness insomuch as it lines up with God.
St. Paul himself, in the Holy Spirit, used his Greek mythology and philosophy background to minister Christ Jesus to the same Greeks that were raised in such literature.
In this way I view NLP:
If Paul (in the Holy Spirit) can quote a poem to Zeus, written by Aratus, to a bunch of greeks in order to glorify Jesus Christ (Acts 17:28), then is it far fetched to believe we Christians of the same Holy Spirit cannot find use and value in the same context with other studies?
By this I mean to say that: Truth is still Truth regardless of the mouth that speaks it. Even caiaphas spoke Truth of the prophecy of Jesus dying on the cross for all mankind (John 11)and he was, by no means, a loyalist to Jesus Christ.
Thus I believe it is the duty of the Christian in the Holy Spirit, and in specific I believe God has called me to NLP, to filter all and any knowledge and study through the lens of the Bible and as long as it is useful and expedient in spreading the gospel, then who are we to quarrel that the gospel is preached?
Does that answer your question, sister?
Really well said brother. I'm excited to watch Jesus work through you and for you me and Amanda to continue Tuesday meetings. Love u brother. Keep following where God guides
I love you too.
script or concept?
The script written by Richard bandler and John grinder and the concept of re-frame that they present in their book titled the same.
After a cursory perusal :) of Re-framing ala Bandler-Grinder, I see why you ask. The similarity is accidental synchronicity due to similar POV I suppose.
I find the concept as universal and can be seen when one looks for connection in pattern. Interelated overlapping hierarchies.
I've found a lot of personal musings have correlations in literature I later discover. I see it as confirmation. I 'made up' a saying "Don't confuse the map with the terrain" ( I used to use maps a lot) as analogy to analogous thinking. kek And then was shocked when I began reading Alfred Kozybski who said "Don't confuse the map with the territory" about the same subject. Weirdness.
Thanks for the link. I'll have to look into it further now.
Via Genesis, God said through Joseph that He establishes His work in pairs of 2 like He did through the Pharaoh's dream. Thank you Jesus for synchronization in the Holy Spirit. Amen