Never, not pay taxes. Never say no. Just challenge them Constitutionally. Note that this applies only to "labor capital". If you have actual income such as capital gains for from businesses, etc, you have to pay Federal taxes on that because either it falls under Federal rules regarding corporations or legitimate Fed jurisdiction because it is in a "Fed gov't program" such as a 401K or IRA.
This is the fear porn that the IRS uses to control us. Yes, they may come after you, but you have to stay in Constitutional jurisdiction, sue them as noted, don't let them intimidate you, and NEVER argue with them over case law or IRS rules. They are all irrelevant, inferior, or unconstitutional and you must say that in an affidavit when you sue them in Federal District Court. Stand your Constitutional ground and fight if you choose to do so.
We are already at war. The question is: are you going to fight or not?
This may not be your time or your battle, but eventually they will force you fight for survival as well, and I pray you unleash holy hell on them when that time comes, fren.
I'm with you...it is quite distasteful being forced to fight this way. It will take all of us together fighting in our own ways to win this war.
Note that in this particular circumstance I just asked the IRS to return money already paid, and they could have said no and forced me to sue them. But they did not. This is a huge tell that they know my reason for requesting the refund was Constitutionally and legally correct.
I even tested them by intentionally not filing a "required" form to see if they squawked about that or my W-2 correction, and they only protested about the missing form...rofl.
Anything that can be tied to an hourly wage rate, preferrably shown on paystub as “labor rate” is clear exchange of labor hours for “labor capital”. So if you enter work time in hours, despite being paid salary, then clearly labor capital.
Even salaries typically use ~2000 hours to calculate “wage rate” for pay.
IRS only has jurisdiction over direct taxation of “income” for 1. Jobs performed on Federal Lands, 2. Jobs listed on Fed employees, 3. Jobs performed on Federal Excise Tax List (most not on it); Due to structure of Republic IRS cannot tax state citizens directly except through Excise Tax List on occupations. SCOTUS has confirmed in several cases the above. “Income Tax” to IRS is voluntary AND an excise tax. If you not in above 3 categories, claim “labor capital” on W-2 correction form and submit 1040-X for payroll tax refund. Note IRS is slow walking requests now, and appears to have no money.
I still pay “income tax” on capital gains while I get payroll taxes back. Going for 100% refund going back to very first paycheck.
Never, not pay taxes. Never say no. Just challenge them Constitutionally. Note that this applies only to "labor capital". If you have actual income such as capital gains for from businesses, etc, you have to pay Federal taxes on that because either it falls under Federal rules regarding corporations or legitimate Fed jurisdiction because it is in a "Fed gov't program" such as a 401K or IRA.
This is the fear porn that the IRS uses to control us. Yes, they may come after you, but you have to stay in Constitutional jurisdiction, sue them as noted, don't let them intimidate you, and NEVER argue with them over case law or IRS rules. They are all irrelevant, inferior, or unconstitutional and you must say that in an affidavit when you sue them in Federal District Court. Stand your Constitutional ground and fight if you choose to do so.
If i wanted my full time job to be "keeping out of jail from the irs", sure.
We are already at war. The question is: are you going to fight or not?
This may not be your time or your battle, but eventually they will force you fight for survival as well, and I pray you unleash holy hell on them when that time comes, fren.
Yeah idk i dont like lawfare or political subterfuge. I only know how to fight one way and it's physical. Hopefully they never push me that far
I'm with you...it is quite distasteful being forced to fight this way. It will take all of us together fighting in our own ways to win this war.
Note that in this particular circumstance I just asked the IRS to return money already paid, and they could have said no and forced me to sue them. But they did not. This is a huge tell that they know my reason for requesting the refund was Constitutionally and legally correct.
I even tested them by intentionally not filing a "required" form to see if they squawked about that or my W-2 correction, and they only protested about the missing form...rofl.
Does labor capital cover normal white collar employment like say a software engineer or an accountant etc?
Anything that can be tied to an hourly wage rate, preferrably shown on paystub as “labor rate” is clear exchange of labor hours for “labor capital”. So if you enter work time in hours, despite being paid salary, then clearly labor capital.
Even salaries typically use ~2000 hours to calculate “wage rate” for pay.
IRS only has jurisdiction over direct taxation of “income” for 1. Jobs performed on Federal Lands, 2. Jobs listed on Fed employees, 3. Jobs performed on Federal Excise Tax List (most not on it); Due to structure of Republic IRS cannot tax state citizens directly except through Excise Tax List on occupations. SCOTUS has confirmed in several cases the above. “Income Tax” to IRS is voluntary AND an excise tax. If you not in above 3 categories, claim “labor capital” on W-2 correction form and submit 1040-X for payroll tax refund. Note IRS is slow walking requests now, and appears to have no money.
I still pay “income tax” on capital gains while I get payroll taxes back. Going for 100% refund going back to very first paycheck.
Rooting for you, hope you win!
(I live in Australia, so its probably a whole different story here)