Why is this stickied? Yes, it's my own post. But, y'all have seen us mods post many high-effort posts from our top frogs over the past weeks. This is no different. Here goes.
Guys, a question for the community, here. I really want to get your feedback on something because I think we really, REALLY need to have a chat about some of the absurd things that so flippantly get said around here and that don't get challenged. Just as we do with our narrative-busting prowess (you guys are literally amazing), we need to ensure that many of the more conspiracy lunatic "dogshit" theories don't get bandied about so much that they pretty much slip into being "factual" without ever getting challenged.
A case in point is the theory that somehow the government is using the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) to cause earthquakes around the world by bouncing energy off the ionosphere. This theory suggests that HAARP can manipulate the ionosphere, causing it to release energy in the
form of an earthquake elsewhere on the planet. However, there is no credible scientific research that supports this claim. That's not how HAARP started, or what it was used for. It was originally a project trying to communicate with deeply submerged submarines. That's it. That's how it started.
OK, so, "the government lies about everything," yeah, sure, but, the theory still can be examined scientifically. In order to understand the feasibility of this theory, we need to consider the technological steps involved. The first step would be to generate a high-frequency electromagnetic field capable of reaching the ionosphere. This field would then have to be focused in a specific location in order to cause the ionosphere to release energy in the form of an earthquake. There are currently no known technologies capable of generating such a high-frequency electromagnetic field with sufficient strength and precision to cause an earthquake. Is the assumption that this "beam" is not detectable by any other countries? And does only the USA have this, or can Russia, China, etc., also start their own HAARP programs, and start sending earthquakes our way?
Lastly, we have to try to appreciate just how much energy is released in an earthquake. Turkey experienced (roughly) two identical earthqukes that were 7.7 on the Richter scale. To put the energy budget into perspective, the Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever detonated, had a yield of 50 megatons of TNT (MT). This is equivalent to 50 million tons of TNT. However, earthquake that resulted from that explosion only reached 4.5 on the Richter scale.
In comparison, the earthquake in Turkey in 2011 was 7.7 on the Richter scale, making it nearly 70 times larger than the largest recorded earthquake from the Tsar Bomba. On that scale, the energy released by a magnitude 7.7 earthquake is estimated to be over 6,000 times greater than that of a magnitude 4.5 earthquake. To calculate the difference in energy, one can use the formula: Energy (in joules) = 10^(1.5 * (magnitude difference + 4.4)) where magnitude difference is the difference in magnitude between the two earthquakes. In this case, the magnitude difference between a magnitude 7.7 and 4.5 earthquake is 7.7 - 4.5 = 3.2, so the energy difference would be 10^(1.5 * (3.2 + 4.4)) = 10^(1.5 * 7.6) = 10^11.4 = 3.98 x 10^11 joules. This means that the energy released by a magnitude 7.7 earthquake is approximately 4 x 10^11 joules, which is over 6,000 times greater than that released by a magnitude 4.5 earthquake.
In other words, the TWO Turkey earthquakes both released more energy than 6,000 "Tsar Bombas." That's insane. I don't care WHAT theory you believe. If you cannot account for this energy budget, then you're 100% a fucking faggot.
So, we're to believe that HAARP somehow automagically transmitted a focused beam with the energy equivalent of 600,000 megatons of TNT across the planet to Turkey? And then sent that same amount of energy there again, resulting in a 7.7 Richter scale aftershock, THE NEXT DAY?? And that the entire operation was undetectable by everyone else on the planet (no warming the ionosphere, the beam was discrete and undetectable??). This is so ludicrous, I don't even know where to begin.
This is an absolutely MASSIVE energy budget, and, when spouting this potentially ridiculous theory, we need to at least have a basic understanding of what our 'conspiracy accusation' (that the gov't is sending earthquakes to other countries) requires to even remotely resemble a defensible theory!
This is literally ridiculous. But now this theory gets said casually as if it's a fact. So, to summarize, tell us again, how does it work?
HAARP sends an absolutely massive energy beam to the ionosphere. The beam can't be seen, felt, or detected or proven to exist by anyone.
The beam is somehow bounced off the ionosphere and the accurately focused on a specific point on earth. The beam leaves no detectable traces of its passage through the atmosphere, it interacts with the ionosphere in a 100% stealth way, detectable to no one, and it arrives and penetrates the ground in the target area, also completely stealth and undetectable
The ground absorbs the massive amounts of energy (over 600,000 megatons worth, PER 7.6 earthquake) and then, BAM! Earthquake
NATO member Turkey has no choice but to deal with (what will probably end up as) over 20,000 dead, and 50,000 injured, and yet, somehow, us 'conspiracy theorists' know it was a "government inside job" and yet Turkey doesn't say that, they don't protest the USA's actions, they don't take proof to the UN Security Council, they remain in NATO, they just go and clean up all the cities and say, "Whelp, looks like we got punked by the HAARP machine! Oh well!"
Honestly? Am I missing something? How do we even tolerate this, here, on an elite research board like GAW??
OK, so they say that HAARP sends "resonance waves." Great, OK, let's see some videos about how that works. Each step of this process, even if it is secret, should be able to be examined and confirmed to at least a believable level of confidence before proceeding. Can basic HAARP principles be seen in a lab? What do you think? I just feel we need to do better on shit like this!\
The HAARP power transmitted is 3.6 megawatts. About the power of 2 Diesel-electric locomotives. Enough for an earthquake? I don't think so.
The beam is absorbed by the ionosphere, not bounced.
No effects outside of the ionosphere.
This is tolerated on GAW because a lot of people here are ignorant of physics and the relevant technology, credulously listen to blowhards who are also ignorant of physics and relevant technology, and have a paranoid desire for the bad news to be true. They therefore adopt a "prove your innocence" attitude.
The energy is already present in earthquake zones. A weapon would only need to add enough energy to start the cascade of events leading to an earthquake.
Sure, I've considered that, but, OK, what's the energy budget we're talking about, here? And also, it's still energy that's bounced and focused off the ionosphere onto a specific spot, right? And the target country can't detect this?
One of the researchers that worked with HAARP searched for different stuff in the ground using frequencies. Like crude, nat gas, etc. At 30W. HAARP, per his word, uses upwards of 1 BIL Watts. Tesla proved he could take down a bridge using a discreet vibration. "Science" and data back all this up.
Oh, neat. Now that Romania is saying this, this comment I made and was suspended for before I even had a chance to "cItE mY sOuRcEs" is good to go? Where's the dB mod that was oh so pissed that I made this comment in the first place? Fn homo.
There are many here that have been sucked into a vortex of "evil" government have magically mastered the universe. The governments have done terrible things and have done some bizarre "experiments". Yes Nikola Tesla used the resonant frequency of the Earth to induce a wave that bounced off the core (mostly iron) and reflected back to the surface. This wave was re-induced in phase with the reflected wave and added to the strength. Theoretically you could cause catastrophic damage to the planet. The resonant frequency of the world is approximately 8 Hz. There are harmonics that can be utilized that are multiples of 8 Hz, however these have extremely limited range in air. The ionosphere would not reflect this frequency, it would absorb it and dissipate it. The HF spectrum 2-30 MHz has a unique ability to refract off the ionosphere for Beyond Line Of Sight communications, but variations to the thickness of the F1 and F2 layers (due to solar energy) can vary which frequencies are absorbed and which ones can be refracted back to the earth surface. Typically, 2MHz-4MHz are routinely absorbed throughout the entire daylight hours, they do refract at night and MAY be used for BLOS communications. The idea of using ANY audio frequency or below (20Hz-20kHz) is ludicrous. These subsonic frequencies that would possibly cause a resonant building in-phase wave with the earth do not propagate well through air, but instead can propagate long distances in water and solid earth. We have science folks, not magic.
Thank you for doing the clear math and the graphic. Yes, it makes me crazy when commenters start to claim things like the Tonga volcano was comms and of course we can set off volcanoes, or earthquakes, with a nuke or a rod from God or a directed energy weapon. No. Even if someone could, why would they? Why would such a fantastic expenditure of energy be made? The only thing more ridiculous are the reasons given. Isn't it wondrous enough that we live on chunks of rock hundreds of miles thick that are floating on molten rock a thousand miles deep? Isn't it unsurprising that the process might get bumpy at times? I want to believe the best about people but honestly it seems like some of these comments are a special kind of troll.
Why would such a fantastic expenditure of energy be made?
Exactly. Here we are with some fucked up uber secret ray that can literally cause a fucking volcano to erupt and what do we do with it? Cause a fucking volcano to erupt in the name of 'Comms'? Are you fucking serious? If I had a ray that could do that, I would send out a coded message to all the white hats in DC to GTFO in 72 hours. And on hour 73, I would lay waste to Washington DC and in one fell swoop, drain the fucking swamp forever. Period. End of story. There would be no need for secret Comms or Delta Analyses ever ever ever again. And anyone with half a brain would know for a fucking FACT that this is exactly how it would play out if such a ray existed.
So yeah. We cannot control, cause, or influence volcanos, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, tidal waves, or any other fucking weather.
We need to get our asses out of Star Wars and back into the real world.
However, earthquake that resulted from that explosion only reached 4.5 on the Richter scale.
The tsar bomba detonated ~2.5mi above the ground. I get what you're saying and I agree with you, but this is a terrible argument.
The Tsar Bomba released about 58 TWh of energy.
A typical 8.0 earthquake releases about 18.6 TWh, the 2004 Indian earthquake was 30.6 TWh and registered about 9.1-3.
Now, I don't believe that the HAARP system is inducing earthquakes, but if it were, it wouldn't need to deliver the full 12-14 TWh, as most of that energy is stored as tension in the fault. The HAARP would only need to nudge the fault to slip and release its tension.
Why is this stickied? Yes, it's my own post. But, y'all have seen us mods post many high-effort posts from our top frogs over the past weeks. This is no different. Here goes.
Guys, a question for the community, here. I really want to get your feedback on something because I think we really, REALLY need to have a chat about some of the absurd things that so flippantly get said around here and that don't get challenged. Just as we do with our narrative-busting prowess (you guys are literally amazing), we need to ensure that many of the more conspiracy lunatic "dogshit" theories don't get bandied about so much that they pretty much slip into being "factual" without ever getting challenged.
A case in point is the theory that somehow the government is using the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) to cause earthquakes around the world by bouncing energy off the ionosphere. This theory suggests that HAARP can manipulate the ionosphere, causing it to release energy in the form of an earthquake elsewhere on the planet. However, there is no credible scientific research that supports this claim. That's not how HAARP started, or what it was used for. It was originally a project trying to communicate with deeply submerged submarines. That's it. That's how it started.
OK, so, "the government lies about everything," yeah, sure, but, the theory still can be examined scientifically. In order to understand the feasibility of this theory, we need to consider the technological steps involved. The first step would be to generate a high-frequency electromagnetic field capable of reaching the ionosphere. This field would then have to be focused in a specific location in order to cause the ionosphere to release energy in the form of an earthquake. There are currently no known technologies capable of generating such a high-frequency electromagnetic field with sufficient strength and precision to cause an earthquake. Is the assumption that this "beam" is not detectable by any other countries? And does only the USA have this, or can Russia, China, etc., also start their own HAARP programs, and start sending earthquakes our way?
Lastly, we have to try to appreciate just how much energy is released in an earthquake. Turkey experienced (roughly) two identical earthqukes that were 7.7 on the Richter scale. To put the energy budget into perspective, the Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever detonated, had a yield of 50 megatons of TNT (MT). This is equivalent to 50 million tons of TNT. However, earthquake that resulted from that explosion only reached 4.5 on the Richter scale.
In comparison, the earthquake in Turkey in 2011 was 7.7 on the Richter scale, making it nearly 70 times larger than the largest recorded earthquake from the Tsar Bomba. On that scale, the energy released by a magnitude 7.7 earthquake is estimated to be over 6,000 times greater than that of a magnitude 4.5 earthquake. To calculate the difference in energy, one can use the formula: Energy (in joules) = 10^(1.5 * (magnitude difference + 4.4)) where magnitude difference is the difference in magnitude between the two earthquakes. In this case, the magnitude difference between a magnitude 7.7 and 4.5 earthquake is 7.7 - 4.5 = 3.2, so the energy difference would be 10^(1.5 * (3.2 + 4.4)) = 10^(1.5 * 7.6) = 10^11.4 = 3.98 x 10^11 joules. This means that the energy released by a magnitude 7.7 earthquake is approximately 4 x 10^11 joules, which is over 6,000 times greater than that released by a magnitude 4.5 earthquake.
In other words, the TWO Turkey earthquakes both released more energy than 6,000 "Tsar Bombas." That's insane. I don't care WHAT theory you believe. If you cannot account for this energy budget, then you're 100% a fucking faggot.
So, we're to believe that HAARP somehow automagically transmitted a focused beam with the energy equivalent of 600,000 megatons of TNT across the planet to Turkey? And then sent that same amount of energy there again, resulting in a 7.7 Richter scale aftershock, THE NEXT DAY?? And that the entire operation was undetectable by everyone else on the planet (no warming the ionosphere, the beam was discrete and undetectable??). This is so ludicrous, I don't even know where to begin.
This is an absolutely MASSIVE energy budget, and, when spouting this potentially ridiculous theory, we need to at least have a basic understanding of what our 'conspiracy accusation' (that the gov't is sending earthquakes to other countries) requires to even remotely resemble a defensible theory!
This is literally ridiculous. But now this theory gets said casually as if it's a fact. So, to summarize, tell us again, how does it work?
HAARP sends an absolutely massive energy beam to the ionosphere. The beam can't be seen, felt, or detected or proven to exist by anyone.
The beam is somehow bounced off the ionosphere and the accurately focused on a specific point on earth. The beam leaves no detectable traces of its passage through the atmosphere, it interacts with the ionosphere in a 100% stealth way, detectable to no one, and it arrives and penetrates the ground in the target area, also completely stealth and undetectable
The ground absorbs the massive amounts of energy (over 600,000 megatons worth, PER 7.6 earthquake) and then, BAM! Earthquake
NATO member Turkey has no choice but to deal with (what will probably end up as) over 20,000 dead, and 50,000 injured, and yet, somehow, us 'conspiracy theorists' know it was a "government inside job" and yet Turkey doesn't say that, they don't protest the USA's actions, they don't take proof to the UN Security Council, they remain in NATO, they just go and clean up all the cities and say, "Whelp, looks like we got punked by the HAARP machine! Oh well!"
Honestly? Am I missing something? How do we even tolerate this, here, on an elite research board like GAW?? OK, so they say that HAARP sends "resonance waves." Great, OK, let's see some videos about how that works. Each step of this process, even if it is secret, should be able to be examined and confirmed to at least a believable level of confidence before proceeding. Can basic HAARP principles be seen in a lab? What do you think? I just feel we need to do better on shit like this!\
You are on target and on message.
This is tolerated on GAW because a lot of people here are ignorant of physics and the relevant technology, credulously listen to blowhards who are also ignorant of physics and relevant technology, and have a paranoid desire for the bad news to be true. They therefore adopt a "prove your innocence" attitude.
The energy is already present in earthquake zones. A weapon would only need to add enough energy to start the cascade of events leading to an earthquake.
Maybe they exist, who knows for sure.
Sure, I've considered that, but, OK, what's the energy budget we're talking about, here? And also, it's still energy that's bounced and focused off the ionosphere onto a specific spot, right? And the target country can't detect this?
One of the researchers that worked with HAARP searched for different stuff in the ground using frequencies. Like crude, nat gas, etc. At 30W. HAARP, per his word, uses upwards of 1 BIL Watts. Tesla proved he could take down a bridge using a discreet vibration. "Science" and data back all this up.
OK wait, Imma gonna need a sauce from you on this
Oh, neat. Now that Romania is saying this, this comment I made and was suspended for before I even had a chance to "cItE mY sOuRcEs" is good to go? Where's the dB mod that was oh so pissed that I made this comment in the first place? Fn homo.
There are many here that have been sucked into a vortex of "evil" government have magically mastered the universe. The governments have done terrible things and have done some bizarre "experiments". Yes Nikola Tesla used the resonant frequency of the Earth to induce a wave that bounced off the core (mostly iron) and reflected back to the surface. This wave was re-induced in phase with the reflected wave and added to the strength. Theoretically you could cause catastrophic damage to the planet. The resonant frequency of the world is approximately 8 Hz. There are harmonics that can be utilized that are multiples of 8 Hz, however these have extremely limited range in air. The ionosphere would not reflect this frequency, it would absorb it and dissipate it. The HF spectrum 2-30 MHz has a unique ability to refract off the ionosphere for Beyond Line Of Sight communications, but variations to the thickness of the F1 and F2 layers (due to solar energy) can vary which frequencies are absorbed and which ones can be refracted back to the earth surface. Typically, 2MHz-4MHz are routinely absorbed throughout the entire daylight hours, they do refract at night and MAY be used for BLOS communications. The idea of using ANY audio frequency or below (20Hz-20kHz) is ludicrous. These subsonic frequencies that would possibly cause a resonant building in-phase wave with the earth do not propagate well through air, but instead can propagate long distances in water and solid earth. We have science folks, not magic.
Thank you for doing the clear math and the graphic. Yes, it makes me crazy when commenters start to claim things like the Tonga volcano was comms and of course we can set off volcanoes, or earthquakes, with a nuke or a rod from God or a directed energy weapon. No. Even if someone could, why would they? Why would such a fantastic expenditure of energy be made? The only thing more ridiculous are the reasons given. Isn't it wondrous enough that we live on chunks of rock hundreds of miles thick that are floating on molten rock a thousand miles deep? Isn't it unsurprising that the process might get bumpy at times? I want to believe the best about people but honestly it seems like some of these comments are a special kind of troll.
Exactly. Here we are with some fucked up uber secret ray that can literally cause a fucking volcano to erupt and what do we do with it? Cause a fucking volcano to erupt in the name of 'Comms'? Are you fucking serious? If I had a ray that could do that, I would send out a coded message to all the white hats in DC to GTFO in 72 hours. And on hour 73, I would lay waste to Washington DC and in one fell swoop, drain the fucking swamp forever. Period. End of story. There would be no need for secret Comms or Delta Analyses ever ever ever again. And anyone with half a brain would know for a fucking FACT that this is exactly how it would play out if such a ray existed.
So yeah. We cannot control, cause, or influence volcanos, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, tidal waves, or any other fucking weather.
We need to get our asses out of Star Wars and back into the real world.
The tsar bomba detonated ~2.5mi above the ground. I get what you're saying and I agree with you, but this is a terrible argument.
The Tsar Bomba released about 58 TWh of energy.
A typical 8.0 earthquake releases about 18.6 TWh, the 2004 Indian earthquake was 30.6 TWh and registered about 9.1-3.
Now, I don't believe that the HAARP system is inducing earthquakes, but if it were, it wouldn't need to deliver the full 12-14 TWh, as most of that energy is stored as tension in the fault. The HAARP would only need to nudge the fault to slip and release its tension.
All that said, HAARP doesn't do that.
It was just an example. Underground 1MT nuclear tests generated 4.0 Richter scale seismic events. You can look it up yourself.
It was a bad example.
I have no idea why you're now talking about 1MT underground since the example you based all your math on was a 50MT air burst.