Italy Bans Synthetic Meat, Fish, and Dairy to ‘Protect Our Culture and Our Tradition’
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You see, this is what pisses me off about veganism. If you're vegan, you're vegan. It's because you don't want to consume anything associated with animal produce, because you are against that on principle. So why then would you embrace this shit being produced that pretends to look and taste like the real thing. That just tells me that your 'principle' is fucking bullshit.
they used vegans to hide behide while they steal our beef, milk and eggs
Your logic is flawed. Take videogames for instance, things like Grand Theft Auto. If you're morally against shooting people in real life and stealing their cars, why would you embrace a game that pretends to shoot people and steal cars?
The answer is because, as a vegan, we don't want to cause unnecessary pain towards animals. Sure the food tastes good, but that doesn't mean i want to participate in the murder of an animal just to eat the food.
Just like in video games. Sure it's fun to steal cars and murder a bunch of people, but that doesn't mean i want to participate in the murder of real people just to get that experience, when we can simulate it all the same without the moral dilemma attached.
It's anything in videogames really. There's a game called Cookie Clicker. Quite addicting. It's a game where you manage a cookie factory. Well, you pretend to manage a cookie factory, without actually going through the hassle of setting up a business to own a cookie factory.
Or how about board games? You pretend to own a bunch of land, build houses and hotels, and bankrupt people in the game of monopoly. Yet 99.99% of people who have played monopoly never end up doing any of that. Or the game of Life, where you can pretend to go to college and get a degree, and start an entire life sequence, without getting bogged down with 6 figures of college debt.
Truth is, people pretend to do things all the time, without actually having any desires to do the real thing.
Why not pretend to eat a burger, without a dead cow that was horribly treated in life being killed just to sit on your plate?
Pretending, isn't real life. You can pretend all kinds of scenarios, without going through the real life means of making it happen.
Jesus talks about how our thoughts matter/best to keep them on the good side; so why would we even be drawn to such mental activity? seems demonic to me...
curious as I've seen many empty teens over the years/all had some interest in violent images...
IMO --- Your logic is flawed.
Wow, i never thought of that! You spoke your rebuttal so well, and with such enthusiasm and confidence, that i have now learned the errors of my ways. Thank you kind sir or maddam. Have a sincerely wonderful day!
I don't think so. IMO you need help if you think this way.
As a vegan I would like your thoughts on this, if you would. If we didn't eat meat the cattle, chickens and pigs that we eat will never feel life without being farmed? Yes they don't live a full life, but neither do many animals killed/consumed in the wild. Without farming many of these animals would barely exist.
This is my take on it. Would like to know your opinion.
As for the current impossible meat fad, I don't think it is healthy, they are made from seed oils, studies have shown seed oil fat to be worse on people than animal fat. For vegans that don't eat meat for cleaner health, these processed meats are not better. I can more understand eating vegetables, beans, peanuts to get your nutrients. Just my thoughts. You seem open to discussing so asking your opinion.
I'm not sure what you're getting at for the first point. I've known people that had a pig or chickens as pets. They don't raise them to eat them, they're just part of the family.
As for the second point, honestly most of the vegan burgers taste awful. The impossible burgers, for instance, just don't do it for me. I'm not doing this for health. It's for moral reasons. We've created the technology to eat without ending another's life, why not embrace that technology? The current way animals are farmed is very inhumane. If a company 'farmed' human meat like that, no one would buy their meat, knowing just how wrong it is. They would go out of business fast, and rightfully so. But somehow it's okay to farm cows and chickens and pigs like that? I really don't understand that logic.
People consume much worse things than seed oils. I'm not worried about my health here.
Thanks for your thoughts. My initial point was there would be about 1% of the cows there are now if people didn't eat them. So most cows would never have a chance to live. I don't agree that farming of livestock is inhumane. Sure there are some instances of it with veil, and chickens mashed into small enclosures. But Cattle live 10-12 years (edit i guess the 10 years is for the mothers, other cattle live 2 years which is much shorter), they are bred in multi step operations, cow/calf to feeder to stocker. They mainly get to roam and eat. If we didn't farm cows they wouldn't even get those 10-12 years they would not exist to begin with, at least not on the scale they exist today.
It becomes a philosophical question, what is worse to never have lived or to live a shortened lifespan?
I am not trying to convert you just trying to give you my point of view. For the inhumane farming going on, I don't think they will simply ban all the practices. What I do think we can push for is labeling meat by the process it was harvested. Free range vs chickens living in coops with thousands of others for example. This won't get things to where you want them, but it would be a step in that direction.