ZERO DAY: Grand Jury votes to indict Trump. The STORM has arrived.
(www.nytimes.com)
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Yes. After a grand jury votes to indict, there is always a warrant issued for arrest if the person is not already in custody. He'll have to surrender in person since he doesn't live in NY. I'm pretty sure that the only thing up for debate still is if they're going to make him do the "perp walk" or just have his secret service detail turn him in without the handcuffs.
I hope they do a perp walk. It's going to be a glorious boomerang.
I'm not sure whether I hope they do one or not. It's completely f'ed up because it's about to be his own secret service detail that has to do this shit. Though, it would definitely wake some people up to see it, being the first time this has ever happened to a president.
Didn't he trade his SS for private guys?
Yeah- just verified what I'd read. He has secret service, there's speculation that they would protect him in jail if they ever put him in jail, and there's speculation that they wouldn't let local law enforcement cuff him- that they'd insist on being the ones who walked him in.
I don't think so? At least he hadn't before the raid- I know there was some talk of if he'd had private security that they would have stopped the FBI.
This highlights a preexisting problem with the criminal justice system courts, that the accused - often innocent - is taken into custody before having any opportunity to defend themselves. If accused is willing to appear in court for their initial appearance, they should be allowed to do so… then - if and only if the judge determines that they must be kept in custody pending trial - should they be taken into custody. Otherwise the judge could assign bail, bail could be posted in open court, and they could proceed to trial. An potentially innocent person, who is not a danger to the public / serious flight risk, should not be punished for a crime they’ve never been convicted of.
The other preexisting problem is the grand jury system. I was on one. The DA was SHOCKED that I had questions and just didn't automatically say indict to his entire list.
Agreed- but NY law says that any nonviolent felony offender is released on their own recognizance (unless they're a flight risk). So, all that happens now is that he's arrested, he'll have an arraignment hearing in front of a NY judge where the judge will read all of the charges out loud, he'll enter a formal plea, then be released until his next court date.
"unless they're a flight risk"
These people would make up ANY ridiculous reason to throw him into jail. They DO consider him a danger to the public. Trump is a walking hate crime as far as these psychopaths are concerned.
They'll never pass up a chance to lock him up in some literal shithole. The law means absolutely nothing any longer.
Watch.
True. Trump has billions and owns a plane. He is a greater flight risk than 99.9999% of us.
Yeah, sure, but he also has a secret service detail. I don't think they'll literally say that they suspect that his secret service detail will let him run.
Bigger problem is that those who do this are NEVER FUCKING PUNISHED!!!
They need to go to pound me in the ass prison... and if they want to charge someone with the death penalty and they lose 3 times... they get the death penalty.
If I was Trump, I would have my own people handcuff me to make the optics bad if the NY prosecutor gave some order to not use handcuffs.