Admittedly I don't always do this, but I wish I would, for, like Ben Franklin, I have seen how my opinions are received based on how I choose to deliver them, and when I have taken this advice, I'm much more persuasive, and make much fewer enemies.
What was this advice?
Turns out Ben Franklin was a bit of an asshole when he disagreed with others. Said one friend of his:
"Ben, you are impossible. Your opinions have a slap in them for everyone who differs with you. They have become so offensive that nobody cares for them. Your friends find they enjoy themselves better when you are not around. You know so much that no man can tell you anything. Indeed, no man is going to try, for the effort would lead only to discomfort and hard work. So you are not likely ever to know any more than you do now, which is very little."
Ben said that after pondering the validity of this stern rebuke, and finding merit in it, he committed to a new way of approaching disagreement:
“I made it a rule to forbear all direct contradiction to the sentiment of others, and all positive assertion of my own. I even forbade myself the use of every word or expression in the language that imported a fixed opinion, such as ‘certainly,’ ‘undoubtedly,’ etc., and I adopted, instead of them, ‘I conceive,’ ‘I apprehend,’ or ‘I imagine’ a thing to be so or so, or ‘it so appears to me at present.’ When another asserted something that I thought an error, I denied myself the pleasure of contradicting him abruptly, and of showing immediately some absurdity in his proposition: and in answering I began by observing that in certain cases or circumstances his opinion would be right, but in the present case there appeared or seemed to me some difference, etc."
What was the result of this new approach?
"I soon found the advantage of this change in my manner; the conversations I engaged in went on more pleasantly. The modest way in which I proposed my opinions procured them a readier reception and less contradiction; I had less mortification when I was found to be in the wrong, and I more easily prevailed with others to give up their mistakes and join with me when I happened to be in the right."
Now, I realize that many of you have a fervent zeal regarding your faith and around your understanding of scripture. And I know it can be frustrating when you happen upon someone else who in the same breath both dares to call himself a Christian and yet, disagrees with you on points of doctrine that, to you anyway, seem obvious and practically axiomatic...
But...while I'm sure your intentions are good, and while I'm sure you feel somehow it is your duty to right any wrongthink that deals with the topic of Christ and salvation and all that good stuff...may I humbly suggest that if your goal really is to help others see the error of their ways, that you consider this advice before letting your fingers run across that keyboard too quickly?
I know this may sound crazy, but it IS possible for two sincere and intelligent Christians to see various points of doctrine in very different ways.
Now, maybe your way IS the right way, but what kind of a chance do you honestly think you stand of helping a fellow patriot see the light that you see if you speak to him as if he's dumber than a Democrat and twice as dangerous? I realize you may feel that his error may even risk his salvation but isn't that all the more reason to tread carefully and speak respectfully?
And if you fail to sway him, is it really necessary to imply that the only reason you have is because he's secretly a demon of some kind? Can't you humbly accept the possibility that you just weren't very persuasive in this instance, and pray for wisdom about how to become more persuasive in the future? I know it's tempting to flex your knowledge and fire off scriptures you're sure will settle the question and go medieval on your perceived opponent if it fails to do the trick but maybe...just maybe...a bit more patience and respect might be in order?
And maybe, just maybe, you yourself could maybe even (gulp) be in the wrong from time to time? And if you are, wouldn't you want to know?
But how can you if your own ego is fired up and you're caught in a battle of wits and name-calling with someone who, quite frankly, is only here because they love this country like you do, and is likely discussing this particular topic with you, because, like you, he also loves God, Jesus, and the Bible, just like you do? Is that really someone you want to offend?
Anyway. Like I said, I know I'm just as guilty as anyone on this topic from time to time, and I wrote this as a reminder to myself as much as anyone else, but hopefully others will read this and maybe pivot their own approach as well.
WWG1WGA
Cheers.
*edit - Link to the pdf of Ben Franklin's autobiography, where I got this, should anyone desire to read it: https://icrrd.com/media/31-10-2020-083612How%20to%20Win%20Friends%20and%20Influence%20People%20-%20Dale%20Carnegie.pdf
It's also quoted in "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie.
Differences of doctrine are a big deal. It’s impossible for most of the different faiths to be worshipping the same god since they disagree on basic attributes!
I think that this idea is not about minimizing anything or compromising, just about how we package what we say.
Well said orthobro.
Funny how everyone's version of God can exist. Some worship a god that preaches unconditional love and yet built an eternal torture chamber of torment with zero chance at rehabilitation.
"Love your enemies and forgive those that trespass against you... And while you're doing that, I'll be over here torturing people for their beliefs." -God
That "zero chance" notion is not what Orthodox Christianity teaches, and I'm Orthodox, so that inconsistency isn't present in my beliefs (part of why I became Orthodox actually).
Also the second half your "quote" of God is neither the letter or the spirit or the truth of what is recorded in the Bible, so it's a strawman in so far as a Christian believes the Bible.
Anosha and I are Orthodox, we don't view Hell that way.
Everyone experiences the same eschaton, Heaven and Hell are perceptions of God's presence based on how we've lived our lives. Paul says that God is an "all-consuming fire", the wicked experience God as fire because they hate Him, while the righteous experience God as warmth and joy because they love Him.
God doesn't send us to Hell or torment us, rather the torment the wicked experience is their perception of God's presence. It's not some place God arbitrarily sends people to because they didn't believe the right thing, and God judges people in different ways depending on their circumstances.
That's a lot of programming.