Flat Earther spends $20,000 on DIY experiment that accidentally proved the planet is ROUND
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You can choose to stay in denial for as long as you like. There seems to be some psychological barrier preventing you all from grasping the fact that there are literally zero scientific proofs of the globe, of curvature, of the earth in motion. There should be THOUSANDS of them after 200 years of advanced scientism.
You can't find one. If you could, you would go get yourself the $90K, or at a minimum, give me your scientific proof snd let me take it to the FlatEarthDave for verification netting yourself a cool $45K and the death blow to the FE community.
But oddly, you continue to do neither.
No science = No globe. It's literally this simple.
And you would know from example, correct? There are plenty of proofs, such as the fact that modern commerce and communication involves daily interaction with the reality of the global Earth. There are thousands of them...but you don't want to accept any of them.
Simple proof: the Earth is a continuous positively-curved surface that closes on itself and has no edge. Established by humans being everywhere on the surface of the Earth. Plus we have photos (taken before there was any CGI).
Meanwhile, we continue to send satellites into orbit and also people to go AROUND the Earth. Want to take the ride? You are living evidence that ignorance and arrogance go hand in hand.
Science can't be denied. Show me how these are scientifically proven and you (we) win. You can't use man-made mathematical models with assumptions built-in as "science" though.
You and I aren't allowed to travel anywhere beyond the 60th parallel other than a single government-approved, paid-for $20K+ chaperoned trip to the tip of an island off of Antarctica. Nor are you allowed to go to, nor anywhere near the north pole.
Ever wonder why no so-called alleged "satellites". that we argue do not exist as described, never orbit north south over the so-called alleged poles? Where's all the satellite imagery of these so-called poles? You won't find anything other than CGI out there my friend. What do you think NASA does with their $80 million daily budget? They've got better technology than Hollyweird.
Why end with ad-hominen, personal attacks? Why do all you globe-believers do this? You all have this in common and I don't understand why? You should be kind. We're being kind with all of you who continue to NOT LOOK INTO THIS FOR YOURSELF but rather bank on lies you've been taught. This is half the reason I started to side with the flat-earthers - because the globe-defenders act like ABSOLUTE DOUCHEBAGS almost without fail.
If you started off from the position; "I don't know what the shape of the earth is", you would quickly come to the correct conclusion. Your problem, like so many others, is that you keep referring to lies and deceptions that we have proven to be 100% LIES!!!!!. The list of lies is so long it's impossible to encapsulate. Briefly:
Newtonian gravity does not exist. There's no such thing. The "gravitational force" is an electrostatic phenomenon of ionic-electro forces seeking balance. Nobody has ever pointed to a "thing" called "gravity" - not a "particle", a "field", a "force", it's all nonsensical theory. So what is the "thing" that pulls objects back down to earth? Einsteinian gravity is a massive lie. If space is a "void", as the establishment says, then how can a THING* called "gravity" operate in this empty space?
All establishment theory around magnetism is completely wrong. They of course understand the "effect", as with gravity, but are so backwards on what magentism actually is. And learning what it is first requires a "de-education" from the establishment lie which we have no space for here.
Dark matter and dark energy were both INVENTED to account for the broken mathematical gravitational models. To think that 95% of the "known universe" is made up of UNIDENTIFIABLE matter and energy is a dead giveaway that we're awash in lies. Defending this is just further mental abstraction gymanstics.
Need I say anything about the zillions of lies about the moon landing?
All of Einstein's special/general relativity THEORY has proven to be false due to fraudulent assumptions built-into it which are demonstrably provable.
Quantum theory (Bohr) is also a provable deception
There is no such thing as a "photon". It's a theoretical construct once again, like gravity. There are no "light particles" hitting your eyes right now as you read this text. It's just so completely OBVIOUS once you stop and think about it.
There's no such thing as atoms-protons-electrons-neutrons as per the "atomic model". None of these "things" exist in reality. Instead, they are a useful MODEL OR REALITY for performing elemental/molecular interactions. The truth of the matter is, this is all happening due to SOUND, tonal vibrations balancing one another. Again, this is something that takes time and considerable study to wrap your mind around however.
And I'm just barely scratching the surface here. We can play games all day long about "observational" data. The globers make the fatal mistake of never even considering the flat model as a possibility. The FE community has done many examples and models around how certain observations would work on the flat earth model but the globers just refuse to agree it would be possible as such. This is a sign we're dealing with people of infantile psychology. They could say, "well, while I don't agree with the flat model, I see how my observations COULD WORK if it were". They can't even do that, because they're like little children who can't accept they won't get any candy at the grocery store when it comes to this subject.
Your provided examples are just proving my point, that you aren't THINKING ABOUT what you are saying. How do we arrive at all our "commerce and communication" processes in the world? Are they not built on GPS and magnetic declination INVENTIONS by man. If you deny that men could create a mathematical model that would represent a "globe earth", you're still naive to just how far the cabal has gone to deceive us.
There are no "photos" taken "before CGI". Have you ever watched the moon landing video with things in motion? It looks like a bad 1960s B-flick. I mean it's just laughable. It's totally indefensible. And for the record, I use "CGI" simply to mean "manipulated", just as I use the term "photoshop" to mean photo-manipulated. The famous 1972 "blue marble" photo was OBVIOUSLY manipulated and we know exactly how they did it - it's like photoshop 101 in today's world, but I'm sure it was tricky back in 1972.
Our satellites are BALLOONS. Why is NASA the world's largest consumer of helium....by a landslide? What would they need all that helium for exactly? The pictures you saw of the "Chinese spy balloon" is PRECISELY what our "satellites" actually are!!! If the orbiting satellite story was true, there would be dozens, even hundreds that would be providing live feeds, 24x7x365, offering MASSIVE opportunities for advertising revenue ta boot.
Denying all this basic evidence indicates you are simply in a state of DENIAL. There's no other explanation. You don't want to find out you've been fooled. Why don't you just admit that? This is where you're at.
I've seen people in your present condition a thousand times on dozens of different topics. I'm as close to an "expert" on this subject of denial as anybody it seems. I've come to learn that in order to even engage a discussion with somebody, the first question always needs to be; "Can you accept the possibility that you might have been lied to on this topic". If the answer is "no", there's literally nothing you can say, do or show - no facts, no proofs, no truths - that can sway the person as they remain trapped in their mental abstractions.
So this is where we're at. You can't even allow for the possibility that you've been deceived about the shape of the earth. So you're just wasting your time with me.
Provide your SCIENTIFIC PROOF, of which there should be HUNDREDS if the globe is true, and I'll change my mind in a hot second. Unlike you, I'm perfectly willing to change my mind with just one itty-bitty scientific proof. If you can't even do this, I'll let you ruminate on why that is. Should you be honest, you'll recognize that you'll be faced with considerable cognitive dissonance, as we all had to go through when we decided to investigate this topic and see what the "other side" had to say.
It is a truism that science cannot be denied, just like the sky is blue. But you have no connection to science, which refutes you in every way. Science is based on observation, and we daily observe the truth of the Earth's shape and nature, and build technology and transportation industries based on it (being able to do something is included under "science").
If you can travel to the southern 60th parallel, you can circumnavigate Antarctica and find that your travel is far less than the circumference of the equator. Impossible in a flat Earth. Your other claims are nonsense, which you pose as excuses for doing nothing. People have embarked on ventures to the North Pole, which has no international prohibitions---mainly to prove the absence of the Arctic Ocean, but generally fail due to unexpected ice (the irony is delicious). There are commercial expeditions to the South Pole, and you can confirm that is where you are by taking sextant shots of the Sun. Or anywhere else on Antarctica. So, you retreat into "I can't do it" as an excuse for not doing it.
There are satellites that have polar orbits. We maintain launch facilities at Vandenberg Space Force Base in California for that purpose. They do take imagery. Some of it is classified intelligence, but the rest of it is weather reconnaissance. It would do well for you to actually learn something about which you express an opinion. There are plenty of images---but you will call them all "fake." Not a good attitude toward evidence. No fakery from Apollo or really any other time. All you can do is make completely fanciful claims of "fake," without any proof. You are just in denial.
When I am contending with you (a person) and you are ignorant (the truth), it is not a "personal attack," it is a statement of the facts. I am calling you out for being what you are.
Gravity exists. Don't be a fool. You even admit it exists, but you want to explain it otherwise. Newton identified it as obeying a firm law, but never knew how to explain it. Einstein thought he explained it---if you can call allusion to 4th-dimensional space an explanation. Others are still trying to understand it. Meanwhile, we live with it and send satellites around the Earth and probes to other planets, all involving gravity fields (and even "gravity assists" to impart extra velocity to the probes).
Electrical engineers know what magnetism is (but you don't). They are able to design electrical power generation and motive force technology using magnetic fields. This includes magnetohydrodynamics and plasma physics.
Who defends "dark matter" and "dark energy"? Not me. No more than a supposition by some cosmologists, having nothing to do with the life we experience. You are shooting at a straw man.
Since the Moon landing is a fact, no, you don't need to talk about fictitious "lies." (I recently saw a photo of the Moon that had such high resolution, you can zoom in on the remaining lander from the Apollo 11 mission.)
Bold claims, but no one has done it. This is not to say there aren't doubters and other researchers. But you should not get wrapped up in Einstein, when the question at hand (flat Earth) has nothing to do with him. This is just a rhetorical distraction.
Sorry about quantum theory. Proven the hard way by the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And by the creation of solid-state circuits. And the creation of lasers. Our modern technology couldn't exist without it.
Photons are easily proven. They account for the "twinkle" of starlight: individual photons arriving sporadically. They are the basis for lasers and holograms. You don't see them as individual events for the same reason you don't see the pictures in a movie film as individual scenes: they are happening so fast, the human eye blurs it all together.
There are atoms. Even the ancient Greeks hypothesized them. It is a fact of chemistry and physics. It is how we were able to identify the difference between uranium-235 and uranium-238, and separate the two to make enriched uranium for nuclear reactors (which couldn't exist without neutrons interacting with nucei). Sound waves? You are not even in the 20th century. This is ignorance with a capital "I".
If the Flat Earthers have their act together, where is the Flat Earth map (and atlas)? Where is the Flat Earth astrodynamic theory? You wave your arms, produce videos and webpages, but leave no trail of documentation that can be checked against reality.
Of course there were photos taken before CGI. It is a fact that you want to deny. This illustrates your total lack of honesty and integrity, because you defend your position by denial of ALL evidence as being "lies." But the Flat Earth side has absolutely nothing to offer as independent truth. No photos of a flat Earth. No photos or testimony of the "edge." No ability to compose a flat map that does not seriously distort the known and true outlines of regions of the Earth. Show your own evidence and have the integrity to not hide behind accusations of lying when you have no countervailing evidence.
You are so deep into denial, you cannot even see it in yourself. I am willing to consider that I have been lied to---if I am provided a true picture that is a better descriptor of what I see. You guys haven't done this at all. You only have accusations, not evidence.
There's plenty of evidence---but you deny all of it (such as the horizon, or the southern hemisphere of the night sky, or space travel). You don't even bother to find explanations of all the evidence against your position. You don't even have the means to perform simple calculations to establish that the round Earth conforms to daily experience. But denial of evidence is the argument of the dishonest, ignorant, and lazy person, because you don't bother to admit true observations, don't know about them, and have no means to confirm them.
So, don't lecture me on "scientific evidence." You are no scientist and you have no idea what that means. You just like to wave that flag so you can stand on a box and look down on others. The rest of us just look up and think "What a conspicuous fool."
I keep waiting for your irrefutable, repeatable scientific refutation, yet you fail to deliver over and over again. Can't you see that?
You misspelled SCIENTISM which is what you BELIEVE in.
Dude, you're mentally lost in abstractions. Nobody has ever observed the Earth's shape - save the phake and ghey astronauts. This is a complete waste of time, every sentence you write is mistaken...which is what it takes to maintain your GLOBALIST beliefs. You've got to be wrong again and again and again to believe the lie. There's no other way.
You're wrong again. We've found hundreds of proposals and schematics from the biggest defense contractors - Northrup Grumman, Raytheon, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, etc. All of these companies build aircraft, missiles, long-distance ammo, etc. and they regularly state their technology "treats the earth as a flat and stationary plane". There are literally HUNDREDS of these papers that have been discovered. Not to mention sharpshooters never account for any curvature either.
Airline pilots readily admit they don't "nose down" or "correct for curvature", yet they'd need to be doing exactly this, about a mile every 5 minutes at cruising altitude...and yet they don't - nor does auto-pilot do this. Nobody does. Remarkable how nobody flies off into "outer space"...yawn.
You're just wrong on literally EVERY COUNT deathray. It's really sad, all do to your unwillingness to do your own research.
And you're wrong again, what a surprise! Nobody has ever circumnavigated Antartica, because it's not a "continent/island". If you think they have, go find proof of their trip. And no, guys from the 1500s-1900s don't count as they have no video evidence. Some of these explorers might have "thought" they did, but that's hardly proof. Besides, there should be millions of successful circumnavigations in modern times, if it were possible, which it isn't. You won't find any evidence of such a feat, as usual.
You're quite the sucker for government/cabal propaganda deathray. Embarrassing really, especially on this GA forum. I'm not going to be able to help you much if you continue to accept government lies and deceptions as truths.
You don't find it fishy that you're not allowed to do this by yourself? You're a good little obedient and loyal citizen deathray. Good for you for not upsetting your masters!
Images is right, zero PHOTOGRAPHS. It's all faked to keep the lie going, but you obviously can't accept this as even a POSSIBILITY!!
As usual, you've got everything bassackwards. Apollo was nothing but 100% fakery!
Really? You'd be the first person to explain it to the rest of the world then. What is it deathray? You've apparently got the drop on all the great astrophysicists alive today as well as the past. Remarkable that you're just some random dude on a tiny little forum and yet you've discovered "gravity" - amazing!
You really don't understand which is sad. What IS gravity deathray? What is IT? You're speaking of nothing but an EFFECT, not an IT.
Once again, they understand EFFECTS, but don't know the IT, the actual CAUSE. Magnetism blows away the laws of entropy as well and proves that "perpetual energy" exists. But you wouldn't know anything about that, would you, as it's not in your academic textbooks and scientism journals.
Are you kidding me? The entire cosmological model is 100% WRONG without dark energy/matter. You better darn well defend it, otherwise you can't explain all the phake and ghey distances, sizes, orbits etc. of your imaginary "rocks in space". Your response here goes directly to how delusional you globalists really are. They had to INVENT this phake stuff to make their cosmological model work!!!
LOL, okay, now I see there's literally zero hope for you.
Not at all, I'm merely pointing out all the PROVABLE & OBVIOUS lies being told by our degreed and accredited EXPERTS & AUTHORITIES the world round. They are all brainwashed and as such, continue to teach us and each other the lies they were taught. It's all so simple!
Wrong again you are. Firstly, no nukes were dropped in Japan in 1945. Secondly, nuclear physics doesn't rely on quantum superposition theory - which is a giant fairytale, an impossibility really.
You've found photons too? You're going to shock the scientific world with your proof of both gravitons and photons. Why are you wasting time posting on this board when you could be revolutionizing the scientific world with all your discoveries that thus far have eluded mankind?
You continue to not understand. The first thing you'd have to do is actually SEE an atom which nobody can as electron microscopy can only visualize static matter. Just like photons and gravitons, the same situation here. The Greeks hypothesizing atoms doesn't make them real. Newton hypothesizing a THING called "gravity" doesn't make it real. Why is this so hard to understand for you globalists?
You prove again and again you've never even bothered to investigate this subject as there are maps galore out there. And there are many ancient maps produced before 1900 as well, some going back to antiquity. But you've made it quite clear you prefer your modern globalist death cult's material. You know that movie "Idiocracy", which was really a documentary? We're living in it right now and you're demonstrating it to a tee!
And here you demonstrate you didn't even bother to read what I said. Well done, I'm obviously wasting my time.
I think you're lying. You don't want to find out you've been fooled.
What can you "see" deathray? Can you "see" the "globe"? No you can't. You're confusing what you "can see", with images and phake videos of what somebody else (the cabal) has shown you. You've never seen a lick of curvature, nor could you, even if you could pay your way for a high altitude flight at 100 miles above the surface - guess what - still no curvature. Your globe god Neil DeGrasse Tyson flatly states this is so. So to think you've ever seen anything resembling a "globe" is just your inability to distinguish between reality and cabal-simulated fakery
You really must be kidding. FlatEarthDave's phone App is precisely the Flat Earth Map. It's been around for at least 5 years, but he took it from others that made it even earlier then that - probably 10 years ago. And the friggin United Nations logo is exactly what the flat earth map is. They, the rulers of this realm for the moment, have been shoving it right in your face for over 70 years, and still you miss it, instead whining about what you're afraid to look into for yourself. The audacity of you globalists!!!
This is literally almost the only thing the FE community has been doing for over 10 years!!! They know the "globe model" better than all you globalists because they had to learn about it in order to debunk all the lies.
You really are lost and it's clear you've never bothered to investigate this subject, which explains how you're continually wrong about every thing you write.
I'm not LECTURING you deathray. I'm saying if you can't produce any, then you don't have a viable proof of the globe. But this is lost on you as you think your scientism is actually science. Herein lies the rub.
I'd like make an easy $45K and arrive at the truth, just like you. Your challenge is to provide a single scientific proof and then bang, you're $45K richer.
What's preventing you from stepping up to the challenge here?
It's going to be bad day for you when you come to realize it is you, the one slinging all the nastiness at your fellow brothers trying to help you wake up from your delusion, was the actual "conspicuous fool" in reality. I had my day of eating crow some 5 years ago. And that was after trying to prove the globe for over 2 years. There was a lot less evidence out there back then. Today, in 2023, the proof and evidence is beyond abundant. And yet you sit there in your chair with a highly misguided smug look on your face, having not bothered to research the topic, while there are literally dozens of great researchers out there today that have compiled a MOUNTAIN of evidence disproving the globe.
I've sat through no less than 50 debates between the globalists and FE community. They're so hard to watch. The globalists whine and cry, they sling hate, disdain and nastiness every chance they get. They're literally GLOWING in their cognitive dissonance today. All they've got is "gravity" (lie), "refraction" (misunderstanding) and 3. observations they're afraid to admit can be explained with some adjustments to their mathematical model.
Where's your scientific proof?
You know Dave?
Yep