Oh here we go with Matthew preaching to Jews. Yes Matthew was written to Jew, but this book was written to Christian converts. When Christ instructs John to write to the churches in revelation he speaks of those he saw at the alter crying how long until God avenges their blood on earth. The angel tells them to wait until the rest of the martyrs are killed. Why would Christ say the sun and moon should be darkened first? Only for the Jews? He came to his own and they received it not. The same is repeated over and over that we would see the abomination. It is in the Old Testament as well as the new. This timeline never changes. It is the same in all the books mentioned. You are to overcome the flesh. Not expect God to save your flesh. It is spiritual. When you are changed in the blink of an eye then you will see. When the veil of flesh is lifted and you realize that we were created from the earth and will remain with the earth in the flesh. It is appointed once for man to die after this is the judgment. We will die. We have to. If I use your logic then why has Christ allowed the persecution of his church ( Bride) as long as he has already? Because the martyrs are waiting on the rest of us. They are asleep waiting for Christ to raise them from the dead. Then those who are alive and remain are transformed in the blink of an eye. Once the antichrist declares all who hold the testimony of Christ to be put to death it is said that if Christ dosnt shorten those days then no flesh would be saved. This is in a time span of about 75 days after the abomination. The Jews who have claimed him as the messiah will realize they were wrong. War is waged at that point on Jews and Christian’s because it is at that point they realize that Jesus was their messiah and because of the two witnesses many will get saved. But it’s about 75 days until Christ and the saints following him unleash hell on earth as they pour out The Wrath of God on all who took the mark and worshiped the beasts image. Jewish calendar and parallel scripture confirms this timeline over 20 biblically. Christ told us they would kill is because they hate him!
I didn't say the whole book of Matthew was only for Jews, I said that in that specific conversation in Matthew 24 Christ is speaking to a Jewish audience, which we know because He mentions the observation of the sabbath.
Revelation doesn't mention the martyrs until chapter 6, which is after the Tribulation starts. Furthermore it doesn't specify when those martyrs were killed. Lastly, many Israelites during the Tribulation will be saved only to be persecuted and martyred by the Antichrist. None of this conclusively indicates that the church goes through the Tribulation.
I also don't see where Christ says that the sun and the moon must be darkened before the abomination. Could you provide a reference?
"He came unto His own and His own received Him not" has already been fulfilled, hence why the phrase is in the past tense. No relevance to end times prophecy.
You are to overcome the flesh. Not expect God to save your flesh.
You are conflating the metaphorical meaning of "flesh" referring to our sin nature with the literal meaning of God saving us from His Wrath.
If I use your logic then why has Christ allowed the persecution of his church ( Bride) as long as he has already?
Because the persecution that the church has encountered thus far is not the Wrath of God. Only the Tribulation gets that moniker.
This is in a time span of about 75 days after the abomination.
According to Daniel 12:12 there is going to be approximately three and a half years from the time the abomination is set up to the time it is abolished. Not sure where you're getting 75 from.
The two witnesses start their ministry toward the beginning of the Tribulation, being executed and resurrected shortly before or right as the abomination is set up, which is the halfway point of the 7 year Tribulation. You are correct that many, Jew and Gentile alike, will still have the opportunity to get saved.
Tribulation is sometimes used in scripture to refer to general persecution, but in modern vernacular the word tribulation is almost always associated with the 7 year period dominated by the Antichrist. Furthermore the Bible itself makes a distinction between general persecution and the Tribulation. Revelation says that this period will be worse than any other period or any other type of persecution in history, and as you have rightly pointed out, it will be so bad that if allowed to continue it would wipe out all life on earth.
When I remember to do so I’ll capitalize Tribulation to refer to the 7 years before the Day of the Lord, and persecution to refer to, well, the persecution that Christians encounter during the church age. That should eliminate any confusion.
Oh here we go with Matthew preaching to Jews. Yes Matthew was written to Jew, but this book was written to Christian converts. When Christ instructs John to write to the churches in revelation he speaks of those he saw at the alter crying how long until God avenges their blood on earth. The angel tells them to wait until the rest of the martyrs are killed. Why would Christ say the sun and moon should be darkened first? Only for the Jews? He came to his own and they received it not. The same is repeated over and over that we would see the abomination. It is in the Old Testament as well as the new. This timeline never changes. It is the same in all the books mentioned. You are to overcome the flesh. Not expect God to save your flesh. It is spiritual. When you are changed in the blink of an eye then you will see. When the veil of flesh is lifted and you realize that we were created from the earth and will remain with the earth in the flesh. It is appointed once for man to die after this is the judgment. We will die. We have to. If I use your logic then why has Christ allowed the persecution of his church ( Bride) as long as he has already? Because the martyrs are waiting on the rest of us. They are asleep waiting for Christ to raise them from the dead. Then those who are alive and remain are transformed in the blink of an eye. Once the antichrist declares all who hold the testimony of Christ to be put to death it is said that if Christ dosnt shorten those days then no flesh would be saved. This is in a time span of about 75 days after the abomination. The Jews who have claimed him as the messiah will realize they were wrong. War is waged at that point on Jews and Christian’s because it is at that point they realize that Jesus was their messiah and because of the two witnesses many will get saved. But it’s about 75 days until Christ and the saints following him unleash hell on earth as they pour out The Wrath of God on all who took the mark and worshiped the beasts image. Jewish calendar and parallel scripture confirms this timeline over 20 biblically. Christ told us they would kill is because they hate him!
I didn't say the whole book of Matthew was only for Jews, I said that in that specific conversation in Matthew 24 Christ is speaking to a Jewish audience, which we know because He mentions the observation of the sabbath.
Revelation doesn't mention the martyrs until chapter 6, which is after the Tribulation starts. Furthermore it doesn't specify when those martyrs were killed. Lastly, many Israelites during the Tribulation will be saved only to be persecuted and martyred by the Antichrist. None of this conclusively indicates that the church goes through the Tribulation.
I also don't see where Christ says that the sun and the moon must be darkened before the abomination. Could you provide a reference?
"He came unto His own and His own received Him not" has already been fulfilled, hence why the phrase is in the past tense. No relevance to end times prophecy.
You are conflating the metaphorical meaning of "flesh" referring to our sin nature with the literal meaning of God saving us from His Wrath.
Because the persecution that the church has encountered thus far is not the Wrath of God. Only the Tribulation gets that moniker.
According to Daniel 12:12 there is going to be approximately three and a half years from the time the abomination is set up to the time it is abolished. Not sure where you're getting 75 from.
The two witnesses start their ministry toward the beginning of the Tribulation, being executed and resurrected shortly before or right as the abomination is set up, which is the halfway point of the 7 year Tribulation. You are correct that many, Jew and Gentile alike, will still have the opportunity to get saved.
Tribulation is another word for persecution not wrath.
Tribulation is sometimes used in scripture to refer to general persecution, but in modern vernacular the word tribulation is almost always associated with the 7 year period dominated by the Antichrist. Furthermore the Bible itself makes a distinction between general persecution and the Tribulation. Revelation says that this period will be worse than any other period or any other type of persecution in history, and as you have rightly pointed out, it will be so bad that if allowed to continue it would wipe out all life on earth.
When I remember to do so I’ll capitalize Tribulation to refer to the 7 years before the Day of the Lord, and persecution to refer to, well, the persecution that Christians encounter during the church age. That should eliminate any confusion.
Ci Scofeild reference Bible! That’s where that teaching came from.