Boy oh boy. Pentecostalism is mostly a health, wealth, prosperity scam. They cherry pick verses like nobody’s business twisting scripture at every turn. Just as Q said, “ be careful who you follow!” I can spot it a mile away. And as far as this rapture, Jesus does come gather the saints but not at the time most evangelical pastors would have you believe. Jesus said it would come after the sun and moon are darkened and after that man of lawlessness stands in the holy place and proclaims to be God. His image has, at that point of time along with his mark, already been established. This would be in a 75 day time frame after 3 1/2 years of this Great persecution (tribulation) of Christs church. Such as the world has never seen before. Jesus told us that we would know as the days approached but no man knows th the day or hour. Not even himself. He told us exactly what to watch for. When you see the abomination that makes desolation! The reason nobody can agree on this subject is because a false docterine has been pounded down our throats for over 200 years now and there are a lot of pastors getting rich selling the world and not the gospel. Ci Scofeild was a heritic who made millions selling his reference Bible full of his opinions that are now considered facts. Truth is ci Scofeild was a pervert. A homo. Look it up. The whole rapture docterine came from a 15 year old girl who had a fever and started hallucinating. This image she saw became what is known as the pretrib rapture docterine. It is false. Once you learn to study scripture what you find is that over and over and over again the Bible confirms everything it says. It is actually phenomenal. The understanding only comes from the spirit. Jesus gave us the timeline yet 90% of modern evangelicals do not believe what Jesus said. This tells me two things. 1.) they are being misled. 2-) if the pastor says it it must be true. 3.) repeating a prayer does not get you saved. There is nothing a person can do in their own will or power to enter the kingdom of Christ. One must simply turn from self and turn to God. You wouldn’t believe this talking to most “Christian’s. You would think self is the only thing people think about. Sad reality. Most professing Christian’s are not born of the spirit. Now back to understanding scripture. The number one thing to always remember is context. The Who, what, where , when, why, and how. Ask it with every verse you read. Who wrote it, who are they speaking to, when and what was the time of writing and the customs of that time. Once you do this and realize it is written mostly in chronological order then whe you read revelation it becomes clear. It opened my eyes when I realized everything I have ever been taught is a lie. Government was not my first awakening. The church was. Once I woke to that I became the biggest conspiracy theorist I know. I am a fundamentalist when it comes to church. I don’t like titles. Baptist, Methodist, ect. I believe it all started with Constantine and his desire to keep Rome in power. They were loosing control of the people due to this, “Jesus” speak and they couldn’t have it. So Rome adopted it as a state religion and added paganism in order to appease and control the masses. History is long l, but you can see the same evil then as now. The difference is we are starting to enter a period of time where the beast will wage war on the saints and most are not prepared if even saved. They have been taught that Jesus gonna rapture you out so you don’t have to face the devils wrath. False. It’s Gods wrath we are safe from, not satans. Persecution is another word for tribulation. Why would there be tribulation or persecution of the saints if all the saints disappeared. It makes no sense and people just write it off as, “revelation is too scary to understand, but I know what my pastor says and he said if I give him more money then God will give me 100 fold and I’m gonna get to buy me a nice car with a fancy house and live my best life now in prosperity cause Jesus wants me to enjoy all the pleasures of this world.” That is 100% antithetical to scripture. Jesus said be seperate. Hate the world and all the things in it. We are not of this world. We have been born again a new creature. We are to worship the creator not the creation. Food for thought fren!
When Christ spoke of the abomination of desolation in Matthew, he’s talking to Jews.
How do we know this? He instructs His listeners to pray that their flight from the abomination not take place on the sabbath. Christians don’t observe the sabbath as Christ is our sabbath per Hebrews.
The church is the bride of Christ. In the Jewish wedding traditions that early Christians would have been familiar with, the bride makes herself ready for the groom to come take her without knowing when he’ll arrive. If this analogy holds, then why would Christ let His church go through the Tribulation, which is tantamount to the groom abusing his bride before the marriage? Why would Christ let His church endure His wrath when He’s already paid for their sin?
75 comes from the fact that they did not use an American calendar in those days. It’s all in revelation and Daniel. Plain as day. Chronological order. And confirmed in many other scriptures that the timeline is flawless. It is exact every time. Sun and moon first! Pay attention when reading in context. Don’t take pastor bobs word for it. It blew my mind when I realized it. It’s what originally woke me up. Use a Jewish calander and add up the days mentioned and you will see exactly to the week what will take place. It’s not distorted by a people, it is distorted by false teachers who lack study. I am not claiming you to be this I am just saying, I once was lost and now I am found. Was blind but now I see. I studied for myself and took all preconceived notions and traditions out. I found out that the old fundamentalist have it right. The old fire and brimstone preachers were right up until the corporate mega seminaries too over in the 16-1700’s. It’s always been about control. It is the enemies forte. You control people by telling them they can do whatever they want and if they will just repeat a little prayer all their dreams will come true. It is another gospel!
The old fundamentalists generally subscribed to the pre tribulation pre millennial position. Including some of the oldest church fathers like Iraneus.
Mid Trib, post Trib, a millennial, and post millenial are all positions invented later and/or adopted by denominations with other doctrinal problems (Catholics, Anglicans, LDS, etc).
In either case, none of the alternate views of eschatology constitute another gospel in and of themselves. A post Tribulation a millennial can preach the gospel just as accurately as a premillennial pre Trib preacher. Salvation is still by grace through faith in Jesus Christ no matter how future events shake out.
Boy oh boy. Pentecostalism is mostly a health, wealth, prosperity scam. They cherry pick verses like nobody’s business twisting scripture at every turn. Just as Q said, “ be careful who you follow!” I can spot it a mile away. And as far as this rapture, Jesus does come gather the saints but not at the time most evangelical pastors would have you believe. Jesus said it would come after the sun and moon are darkened and after that man of lawlessness stands in the holy place and proclaims to be God. His image has, at that point of time along with his mark, already been established. This would be in a 75 day time frame after 3 1/2 years of this Great persecution (tribulation) of Christs church. Such as the world has never seen before. Jesus told us that we would know as the days approached but no man knows th the day or hour. Not even himself. He told us exactly what to watch for. When you see the abomination that makes desolation! The reason nobody can agree on this subject is because a false docterine has been pounded down our throats for over 200 years now and there are a lot of pastors getting rich selling the world and not the gospel. Ci Scofeild was a heritic who made millions selling his reference Bible full of his opinions that are now considered facts. Truth is ci Scofeild was a pervert. A homo. Look it up. The whole rapture docterine came from a 15 year old girl who had a fever and started hallucinating. This image she saw became what is known as the pretrib rapture docterine. It is false. Once you learn to study scripture what you find is that over and over and over again the Bible confirms everything it says. It is actually phenomenal. The understanding only comes from the spirit. Jesus gave us the timeline yet 90% of modern evangelicals do not believe what Jesus said. This tells me two things. 1.) they are being misled. 2-) if the pastor says it it must be true. 3.) repeating a prayer does not get you saved. There is nothing a person can do in their own will or power to enter the kingdom of Christ. One must simply turn from self and turn to God. You wouldn’t believe this talking to most “Christian’s. You would think self is the only thing people think about. Sad reality. Most professing Christian’s are not born of the spirit. Now back to understanding scripture. The number one thing to always remember is context. The Who, what, where , when, why, and how. Ask it with every verse you read. Who wrote it, who are they speaking to, when and what was the time of writing and the customs of that time. Once you do this and realize it is written mostly in chronological order then whe you read revelation it becomes clear. It opened my eyes when I realized everything I have ever been taught is a lie. Government was not my first awakening. The church was. Once I woke to that I became the biggest conspiracy theorist I know. I am a fundamentalist when it comes to church. I don’t like titles. Baptist, Methodist, ect. I believe it all started with Constantine and his desire to keep Rome in power. They were loosing control of the people due to this, “Jesus” speak and they couldn’t have it. So Rome adopted it as a state religion and added paganism in order to appease and control the masses. History is long l, but you can see the same evil then as now. The difference is we are starting to enter a period of time where the beast will wage war on the saints and most are not prepared if even saved. They have been taught that Jesus gonna rapture you out so you don’t have to face the devils wrath. False. It’s Gods wrath we are safe from, not satans. Persecution is another word for tribulation. Why would there be tribulation or persecution of the saints if all the saints disappeared. It makes no sense and people just write it off as, “revelation is too scary to understand, but I know what my pastor says and he said if I give him more money then God will give me 100 fold and I’m gonna get to buy me a nice car with a fancy house and live my best life now in prosperity cause Jesus wants me to enjoy all the pleasures of this world.” That is 100% antithetical to scripture. Jesus said be seperate. Hate the world and all the things in it. We are not of this world. We have been born again a new creature. We are to worship the creator not the creation. Food for thought fren!
When Christ spoke of the abomination of desolation in Matthew, he’s talking to Jews.
How do we know this? He instructs His listeners to pray that their flight from the abomination not take place on the sabbath. Christians don’t observe the sabbath as Christ is our sabbath per Hebrews.
The church is the bride of Christ. In the Jewish wedding traditions that early Christians would have been familiar with, the bride makes herself ready for the groom to come take her without knowing when he’ll arrive. If this analogy holds, then why would Christ let His church go through the Tribulation, which is tantamount to the groom abusing his bride before the marriage? Why would Christ let His church endure His wrath when He’s already paid for their sin?
75 comes from the fact that they did not use an American calendar in those days. It’s all in revelation and Daniel. Plain as day. Chronological order. And confirmed in many other scriptures that the timeline is flawless. It is exact every time. Sun and moon first! Pay attention when reading in context. Don’t take pastor bobs word for it. It blew my mind when I realized it. It’s what originally woke me up. Use a Jewish calander and add up the days mentioned and you will see exactly to the week what will take place. It’s not distorted by a people, it is distorted by false teachers who lack study. I am not claiming you to be this I am just saying, I once was lost and now I am found. Was blind but now I see. I studied for myself and took all preconceived notions and traditions out. I found out that the old fundamentalist have it right. The old fire and brimstone preachers were right up until the corporate mega seminaries too over in the 16-1700’s. It’s always been about control. It is the enemies forte. You control people by telling them they can do whatever they want and if they will just repeat a little prayer all their dreams will come true. It is another gospel!
The old fundamentalists generally subscribed to the pre tribulation pre millennial position. Including some of the oldest church fathers like Iraneus.
Mid Trib, post Trib, a millennial, and post millenial are all positions invented later and/or adopted by denominations with other doctrinal problems (Catholics, Anglicans, LDS, etc).
In either case, none of the alternate views of eschatology constitute another gospel in and of themselves. A post Tribulation a millennial can preach the gospel just as accurately as a premillennial pre Trib preacher. Salvation is still by grace through faith in Jesus Christ no matter how future events shake out.