...They genuinely thought they were each controlled by different factions that had no causal relationship. Until Q. Now they realize they're all connected in some way by the same scheme. The pawns that sold their souls never realized this was the caveat. They believed it was all totally under control forever (and it is) - but controlled by true evil that has no loyalty to man. The families will turn them in (by design), and that's what has the others pissing their pants. They can feel that they're being used to bring Trump back into the spotlight via CNN townhalls, news stories and Qanon FBI releases ... etc. And they can't do anything about it accept do what they're told... just like when they were forced to bash Trump ... now they're being forced to bring him into the open looking cleaner - and they won't stop it. They can't. They're more afraid of their allies than their foes. Cartel-like shit..
It is what it is.
The evil doesn't go away in this world .. until Jesus banishes it. And even then - it comes back a 1000 years later to take our kin out. And, I assume, we start over again somewhere else.
You are incorrect, my friend.
There is a Rapture. The question is does it happen before, during or after the Tribulation. If it happens after the Tribulation, then it occurs at the same time as Christ's Return.
If one denys a Rapture of any sort, then one must deal with this verse:
~ 1 Corinthians 15:51
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Well that's why I specified "as in the Left Behind" series by tim lahaye and jerry b jenkins. Great fiction but not very scriptural
So you do see evidence the Apostles believed in a Rapture event, just not like the one portrayed in that popular film?
So that must mean you dont think it's a "lousy doctrine based on the dreams of some wild eyed Scottish chick?"
A wild eyed Irish Bishop more like it.
No, just the event as portrayed in the Left Behind series
Agreed
Define rapture.
Sure...
In this passage the phrase "caught up" is translated from the Greek word "ἁρπαγησόμεθα" (harpagēsometha). This word is derived from the root "ἁρπάζω" (harpazō), which means "to seize," "to snatch," or "to take by force." In this context, it is used to describe the sudden gathering or "snatching away" of believers to meet the Lord in the air.
Right, ok I agree. And if we look at the whole passage for context then it specifically says during the second coming of Christ that will happen and not a moment before. If Jesus comes back at the tail-end of the tribulation then it seems to me that it would make sense for it to be post-tribulation, no?
I think there's a natural skepticism of the term rapture because of the people and works of fiction that have pushed a very specific idea of what it is.
Good question. And I agree with your last sentence whole heartedly.
While I grew up steeped in Pre-Trib eschatology, I can definitely see the Post-Tribers points and arguments.
However, I have a hard time getting around passages such as:
Since the Tribulation is often called the Day of God's Wrath, this verse is used to support the idea that believers will be rescued from the wrath and judgment that will come during the tribulation period.
Pre-tribulation proponents interpret the restrainer mentioned here as the Holy Spirit indwelling the Church, and when the Church is raptured, the Antichrist will be revealed
And finally, the Church is no where mentioned after Revelation chapter 4. Where did it go while all the events of the Tribulation unfold?
I'm assuming you adhere to a Post-Trib view - which I don't disparage - so how would you handle these passages from a Post-Trib perspective?