It's your favorite Devil's advocate here. I have a question for you all:
Do we have guarantee that the $16 million fine included within the censure attempt on Schiff would survive a constitutional challenge on 8th Amendment grounds (prohibits cruel and unusual punishments and prohibits excessive fines)?
As you know, twenty House Republicans voted against the measure to censure and fine the Watermelon head. Everyone got upset and the influencers fanned the flames. What the influencers and the rest of the sheep on social media and here won't tell you is that there might have been a potential problem with the $16 million fine. The problem that it runs the risk of be considered excessive or being considered cruel and unusual per 8th Amendment provisions.
Rep. Massie mentioned those concerns in this article here, which gotten very lost in all of the noise:
I know that we masterbate to the thought of watermelon head getting exploded like this. However we risk looking stupid if the fine gets challenged and thrown out, along with the censure if the fine is attached to the censure.
I have the feeling that if the censure is presented by itself, then I bet many of the 20 "treasonous RINOs" will vote the right way. The fine complicates things needlessly.
And I have special blame to place on DC Draino and other influencers on Truth Social and here on GAW for omitting that part in their social media posts. Lying by omission is still lying and each lie weakens is and does a disservice to MAGA and the Great Awakening.
When you report on something, I want the whole truth, not half truths designed to be fed to the bleating sheep amongst us.
Schiff owes the US taxpayers for the tens of millions of dollars that Mueller, and all of the other investigator's used to "get Trump," based on the lies Schiff pushed. Then, he owes punitive damages too, for willful, and malicious conduct. He needs to be thrown out of congress for what he did. End of story.
But, I do agree that separating the matters into a censure vote, criminal proceedings, and (class-action?) civil suits might simplify the execution of the punishments that Schiff has coming to him.
I do agree that Watermelon Head has committed many crimes that needs punishment, with heavy fines, jail time, and maybe execution if appropriate. However, I want it all done in a way that he can't wiggle out of it and humiliate us in the process.
Congress can censure and scorn him, and expel him if they can get many Demonic Rats to go along with the plan. However, fines and jail times can only be levied by judges in civil or criminal cases, something that Congress don't have explicit authority to do so. Trying to levy it on the House of Representatives level might be a very easy way to get on the bad side of the courts, and results in a very easy appeal...
It was a mistake...as I see it. But then it was put there on purpose to slow the roll against Adam...the pushback they have gotten will force the 20 dissenters to vote again with the fine removed...the people are upset now, and those twenty will have the eyes upon them the second time around in away that wasn't present for the first vote. It's cool really as it demonstrates and reveals the RINO's even further, they are all the lower rung party members to begin with and at least we now know who they are and as a result the future big name RINO's that they could have become will find themselves primaried as a result of their actions. SO...let us make Lemonaid with our fresh new lemons for time being.
The 27th Amendment too. Thomas Massie voted no for these reasons and he should know. Hes still litigating Nancy Pelosis fines for not wearing a mask.
That was my take on it when I commented here stating the following:
"Thomas Massie said he is still fighting a fine imposed by Nancy Pelosi for not wearing a face mask. He stated he had issue with the $16 million fine on the Schiff Censure vote because Constitutionally he believed it to be unsound, as it was in his case. In other words, he doesn't believe the legislative body should be doing this.
Earlier, I didn't understand Massie's reasoning and I regret my comment I made on another post.
I'm sure the republicans would vote approvingly to censure Adam "liar" Schiff. It is most likely the heavy fine that many of the 20 republicans objected to. It can work both ways, and will be undoubtedly used to target republicans in the future. The resolution should be redrawn for passage to censure Schiff. Once passed, other resolutions can be introduced."