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someone suggested this ought to be reposted here (as well? or instead?):
Legalize All Drugs, Yes or No?
I'm kind of for legalizing all drugs, slowly, while also putting in place societal infrastructure for discouraging the abuse of drugs and to help people who become addicts.
I can elaborate on further reasons for legalization of drugs if requested; it is not however a top priority to me as a policy issue so I don't focus on it as much for that reason.
What do you think about drug legalization or criminalization?
I agree , legalize all the drugs , and let them purchase it, as long as they aren't on welfare or some support system provided by the people. With that said it certainly will stop crime and thin the heard at the same time. I also saw somewhere in my KJV that as long as it has seeds it can be used, (marijuana) unlike plants like poison ivy.
Ya , 1000 bucks a month.
I think the first step is to fairly categorize drugs honestly. I live in a legal state for Marijuana, and have used it illegally since , like, forever, but now I can grow it openly without being criminalized. I will argue anyone into the ground about how criminalizing it was a plan by the government to fund CIA operations, to bolster big pharma. I do believe abuse of alcohol is far more dangerous. It is obvious that laws against the other drugs, meth, coke, fentanyl, oxy con, heroin, have not done a thing to stop the use, it is a lucrative business as there are countless customers who are willing to ruin their lives and commit crimes to use. On the other hand, there are medications that have been classified as opiods, like tramadol, that have made life bearable for sufferers of chronic pain. I have been taking the same dose for 10 years, and yes, I am dependent on it, to move somewhat pain free, and I now have a physical dependence on it, in that case , it is addictive. It got grouped into that opiod category several years ago, but at least my doctor prefers me to not be bed ridden. Legalization would do one thing, it would remove the cartels controlling it, it would break them, and for that, it may be worth it. Junkies will be junkies, a sad lot of dysfunctionals seeking to get high, only to discover their misuse has led them to taking something all the time, not to get high, but just to not feel like they are dying. But how would that work? Cocaine stores? Heroin boutiques? Pain relief, when managed, does not lead to trying to get high, weed will give you a buzz and mushrooms have a therapuetic affect. If you can relax at the end of the day with a cocktail or a few cold ones, why not the same with pot? The problem is, as it always was, is that some people just want to seek happiness and feeling good instantly. Losers incapable of finding happiness, I don't think they should be just given that option, and by whom? The government? It won't work in the USA, too big, too much regional differences, too many already dependent on the government to support them. Dependence is a risky game, but I do not think pain medication should be withheld for people who honestly need it, chronic pain is life threatening, treating it should not stigmatize the person who needs it.
did kratom help (it is mildly addictive but natural and overdose unlikely)
and legal, which is a good argument for why other less or equally dangerous drugs might be legalized
Kratom is sketchy, and I would have to drive to NY to get it, it is not legal in Vermont. I prefer to go through this with my doctor, with a prescription. That way, if or when I would need surgery, as I did with my hip replacement, everyone knows how to regulate any additional pain med I may need post surgery, to avoid over dependence. Besides, driving to another state to secure a drug that is known to be addictive, known to cause liver trouble, is un regulated , is just too sketchy for me, I am 73 years old with end stage Lyme Disease, tramadol was used extensively before all the oxy contin laws went into affect, it's considered a clean drug as far as liver, etc, and over doses occur when you take more than you need. If I found myself needing more, there are other things like supplements, PT excercise, and rest. I take it because I am still holding down a job that requires me to not rest all day long, I want to stay functioning, my greatest joy comes from nature, and I want to be out in it and moving and gardening for as long as I can. With chronic pain, you have to accept that pain management is not going to remove the pain altogether, that is where people start taking more and get addicted.. I am not 45, I have a degenerative condition, I don't expect my body to feel like heaven all the time. If it does, I am high on something. I don't want to be high, just want remain active as normal, because if I layed around all the time , that would make me less healthier.
Define "drug."
IMO if it grows out of the ground it's not a drug and should be unrestricted.
Worth mentioning that cannabis and psilocybin are non-addictive.
Absolutely with you.
I would probably include heroin, meth, cocaine... any of these kinds of things conventionally called "drugs". It's often a personal responsibility and culture issue, not the fact that any of these are legal. It's legal for a 21 year old to purchase some "addictive" alcohol and overdose currently, but they won't do so if they feel personally responsible or don't live in a culture that promotes drinking to excess.
Personally I see no value in substances like heroin, cocaine, and meth. Setting aside the addictive properties, they are too much like the poisons big pharma hands out.
And as I alluded to above, they are not natural. Even alcohol is found in nature.
Do you think fentanyl should be legal?
comes from opium which is used medicinally I think as a painkiller and derivatives
comes from coca which is used to relieve altitude sickness
apparently used to treat obesity (lol?) and ADHD, although perhaps controversially?
actually a weird example as someone I know received some from a hospital recently (so apparently it's used medically?); I had no idea it was being used in hospitals. So I'd assume the answer is yes, it should be legal since it's being used with a purpose, and then yes it should be available over the counter, because why would we want to let doctors have the ability to cut us off from drugs we want and need for our health? The covid disasters have shown how dangerous that can be.
so again one angle I look from is related to medical freedom, but I'm certainly concerned with problems of addiction and violence related to drug trades