Assertion: "Pence said America is not his concern"
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I'm seeing people posting stuff about Pence saying America is NOT his concern. One example is a meme by Turning Point Action, posted in GAW 6 hours ago, declaring Pence committed political suicide.
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Now, some folks think Pence is a DJT loyalist who is doing Kayfabe and is running for candidacy for strategic reasons. Others think Pence is a scumbag and DS asset.
Personally I'm the former. But whatever one's position personally on Pence (which has to include your view on Q, devolution, the Plan, etc), it behooves each of us to approach the information with critical and rational thinking, rather than emotional reaction. In other words, we should let our prejudices and biases just lead us around like a dog on a chain.
In my view, the narrative being thrown around about this Pence issue now is
FAKE NEWS. 100% It's a distortion, malinformation.
Here's why I think that.
There are essentially FOUR key data points that I consider re: how to analyse and breakdown this news.
ONE The discourse and its whole context
TWO The language of Pence in response to Tucker
THREE The illogicality of Pence even saying "America is not my concern"
FOUR Donald Trump's recent words regarding Pence
1. Take the whole discourse and understand the context.
Tucker said "XXX American situation, and YOUR concern is .... how many tanks Ukraine has". Despite all the other things in a very long sentence, this is Tuckers basic premise and assertion to Pence.
How does Pence respond? Pence responds "that is NOT my concern"
Listen to the above (short) clip a few times. It becomes very clear when you take the statement in context.
Pence Immediately goes on to clarify he is concerned about the American situation. He's rebutting the idea that Pence has no concern for the USA, clarifying that the way Tucker framed 'his' concern is not factual.
Tucker said "your concern is.... that Ukraine doesn't have enough tanks" Then says other stuff and "where's the concern for America in that?"
Pence said "that is not my concern" OBVIOUSLY talking about Tucker's assertion that Pence's concern is for the Ukraine having tanks.
He rebutts Tucker by saying "Tucker, I've heard that routine from you before, but that's not my concern."
2. Why does Pence say "I've heard that Routine from you before"?
What routine? Clearly, it's the routine where Tucker is asserting that "Pence is more concerned about ukrainian tanks than he is about America".
Pence is accepting Tucker's dialog as a clear provocative question/assertion, and responds by saying "it's a routine" as any politician with half a brain would, let alone someone who was TRUMP's VP.
Pence then goes on to clarify WHY he is running for President, essentially rebutting Tuckers assertion that Pence is NOT concerned about America.
"I'm running for President of the United States because I think this country is in a lot of trouble. I think Joe Biden has weakened America at home and abroad."
So A) Pence rebutts Tuckers assertion, B) reinforces that by stating Tucker's assertion is a routine (designed to provoke or irritate the interviewee, Pence) and C) then proceeds to say exactly WHY he is concerned about America.
3. Does it make any sense that Pence would state "America is not my concern"?
Contextually, it makes NO sense to think that Pence would say, openly, at an interview "I'm not concerned about America at all".
That's idiotic. He'd have to be drunk or shot up with sodium pentathol to say anything like that IF it were in fact true. It's ludicrous, and really ONLY believable if you have severe biases and prejudices about Pence.
If Pence was truly Deep state, would he say that openly? He'd be the first politician in the history of the deep state, with some reall rippers in there like Obama, Clinton(s), Bushes, and pretty much every other owned Deep State congressman or woman.
I'll admit, Pence's manner in responding is unfortunate. Grammatically (I mean, in terms of logic, facts, etc) Pence is correct, because he's responding to Tuckers main assertion that "X is your concern" Like a nerd who isn't paying attention to how it sounds. He's just answering factually.
BUT to someone NOT paying actually attention, it sounds like he's saying America is not my concern.
4. DJT's comments and talk about Pence
I get that a LOT of people including anons are upset about the stolen election (who isn't) and that they blame Pence on the basis of a lot of DJT's rhetoric.
But if devolution is really in play, if DJT KNEW they were going to steal the election and his plan involved letting them get away with it because of a larger sting operation, then Pence HAD to do what he did. AND, if he actually intervened in the process, it would have set a precedent that ANY VP could do this. Anytime.
IF DJT knew they would and did steal the election, then it means he violated his vow to the American people and simply let them get away. But that's not DJT, so some sort of Devolution / Continuity of Government HAS to be in play.
More importantly, in the past few months, DJT has come out and said essentially positive and supportive things about Pence, even though previously he's blamed Pence for the Jan 6 situation, etc. Why? Because blaming Pence was necessary Kayfabe to create a distance between them. Just like many others.
Do you think there is a reason why DJT's rhetoric so often sounds like a WWF wrestler haranguing his opponent? The WWF wrestling is literally KAYFABE.
If DJT's rhetoric around Pence was NOT kayfabe, how could DJT now say, one or two months ago, at that major CPAC conference, that literally "Pence never did a bad thing in his life"? and "He's an honorable man" etc on other recent occasions.
kayfabe is real.
Why Spread The Pence Said This Narrative?
Who benefits from spreading this narrative designed to trigger hate for Peace? Who is it that constantly puts out rage bait to trigger 'conservatives' and Maga folks, so that they are reacting instead of thinking clearly? Controlled Opposition aka Conservative inc. The likes of Candace Owens, the likes of Ben Shapiro, the likes of other establishment conservatives.
Rage baiting is a way that controlled opposition get the Maga and conservative base (and anons, actually) off kilter. You become so worked up with 'hating' the target or 'fearing' the outcome that you are simply acting from emotional reaction, instead of dispassionately reasoning, thinking critically and balanced (based).
It's a clear and obvious strategy that Controlled Oppo would use. It doesn't really matter if the object of the hate or fear is bad or not. If they are bad, then even better, because it's all the easier to trigger your reactive emotional knee-jerk responses and to condition you to think less, react more.
I can only conclude that people or organizations who are spreading this narrative ("Pence said America is not his concern") narrative are EITHER:
Disinformation operatives (controlled opposition, etc)
Persons so biased by their view of Pence that they believe mostly anything that the bias confirms (aka they react instead of thinking)
Persons who hate Pence either way and don't care whether he said it or not. Spread anything because Pence is Scum
Persons who are simply ill-informed but whose biases lead them to repost and accept the narrative without really checking the facts and the context.
The FACTS and the CONTEXT are clear.
Does Turning Point Action expose themselves here as controlled opposition? Why else would they attack Pence with this sort of fake news, and spread fakeness around? Or are they simply totally incompetent and without journalistic integrity?
Conclusion
Putting aside one's own view of whether Pence is a Patriot doing Kayfabe, or a Deep State asset scum, it should be pretty obvious that in this instance, Pence is NOT saying "America is not my concern".
If after examining the evidence, you still think he's saying that, then i have a really big Bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.
This news - Pence said America is NOT his concern - is FAKE.
It's a misread/mishear of what was said at best. At worst, it's actually dis/mal info.
The war is real. The news is fake. Q
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Do not let personal (EMOTIONal) desires ("do it now""now""what is taking so long""NOW!") take over.
Logical thinking and strategy should always be applied.
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Those who push simply do not understand warfare tactics.
EMOTIONs cloud judgement.
EMOTIONs cloud logic.
You have more than you know.
UPDATE: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/fake-news-mike-pence-lashes-after-his-thats/
It's a sad day when Maga influencers stoop to the level of fake news to destroy an opponent, perceived or real.
That's what the Cabal propaganda machine does. Maga has to do better.
#3 - kind of an invalid argument. He didn't have the ability to overturn anything. Nobody actually asked him to overturn the election by some secret vp power. All we wanted of him was to send some of the results back to the states to be verified. Take a week or 2, check the results that looked fraudulent, and then certify once checked. That is not overturning an election - it is verifying the results that looked fraudulent.
If nothing changed he would then have to certify what was sent to him.
I don't think he made the right decision. Had he sent some back to the states the actions that afternoon would likely have been much different. Sure the DS would've still tried to stage their fake insurrection but the majority of Trump supporters would have stayed where they were after watching Trump speak and would have partied all day. Instead, by just certifying everything the people fell right into the DS trap.
Maybe he did what was asked of him (we may never really know), but as a result there have been thousands of lives changed, ruined, and a couple actually lost.
So, do you think that DJT did NOT know what Pelosi and the Establishment was planning for Jan 6? Serious question.
I certainly do not wish to minimize the significance of the lives affected, ruined and lost on or as a result of the Jan 6 incident, but don't you think that some perspective is important here?
If Q is correct, and even if he isn't, we are involved in a situation, a war, an insurrection in the United States in which billions of people's lives are at stake. Not hundreds, thousands, not tens of thousands, not just millions. Billions. The future of humanity is what is at stake here.
If Pence's actions are THE factor determining what has happened in the USA for the past 2+ years, then in fact his failure is stupendously horrendous.
But this is a Q research board. How on earth do you not factor in the Q operation, and all the military planning operation that team DJT appears to be (very clearly at this point) running? Can we just look at things in the normie, MSM or surface way, and draw any real conclusions.
I just don't think so. But that's my view, I guess.
No idea where you got the idea I didn't factor Q in to anything. We are talking about Pence. I guess my question is do you really think Pence is on the Q team? I don't. I think he is nowhere near smart enough, nor should he be trusted to have that kind of information. Pence wasn't a choice for VP for Trump - it was basically mandated by the establishment. Same for the other morons he started his term with (like Reince). Do you really believe Pence would then be brought into the fold with the Q team? He had nothing to bring to the table.
But if you want to play then ok - I'm sure Trump knew what was going on with Pelosi and everyone else. That doesn't have anything to do with Pence - unless he is actually on the Q team. If he is not, then all Trump could do was ask him to send the votes for certain states back to be checked. Pence would then have to decide what to do.
None of us know what the plan was really supposed to be on Jan 6th. Who knows - maybe the Q team wanted Pence to send the votes back, and they would make sure the fraud came to light and the election would go to Trump. Maybe they wanted Pence to certify the loss and push the country closer to civil war.
I believe option 1 would've been preferred if they knew the results would be so damning against the dems that everyone would see just how bad our elections have been. The pcaps that Lindell said he has may have been real, and Space Force may have been ready to release their own packet captures to prove it. When Pence just certified the Space Force stood down.
I do think the team had plans for both options and we are in the plan for option 2 now.
You mentioned this being a Q research board. Remember - research necessarily means there will be different ideas put forth and not all of them will match yours.
Thanks for the reply, and sharing your reasoning. Updoogle.
I guess we have very different concepts of what the Q operation is. My view is that the Q operation is a military intelligence operation run with specific objectives including activating an army of anons, triggering mass public awakening and generating a significant civilian force in the 5G war.
The Q team has [less than 10] individuals who have direct knowledge about Who is on the Team, What the Q operation Plan is, and What it's specific objectives are and how and by who it was developed. But that doesn't mean other people don't have levels of knoweldge, and delegated responsibilities.
Imagine a massive army invasion operation like Normandy. How many people knew the whole plan? There were some 200,000 troops involved in the actual landing, but how many millions were involved in; logistics planning and execution, equipment preparation, etc, etc.?
But how many planned it and knew the whole picture? https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/a-whos-who-of-d-day
There were hundreds of thousands of other people at all different levels with SOME knowledge but on a need to know basis for their role in the campaign.
Likely as not, NONE of the people below Colonel (just speculating here) knew the actual landing cite until 24 hours before D-Day.
That's how I see the Q operation. The Q team is the team directly involved in planning, and seeing that the Q operation fulfills its objective. As a military operation, there are many working in coordination with the objectives of the Q team, but who do not necessarily know The Whole Picture. Think of Kash Patel, think of Col. Miller, Ezra Watkins, Dan Scavino, Gen Flynn, Nunes, etc, etc. They don't have to be on the Q team to get instructions and directions and information about what they should do or to be given tasks and missions.
Moreover, the Q operation is part of a much larger overall plan, in my view.
So, no, I've never thought for a second that Pence was literally on the Q team. Not at all. But as he was DJT's VP, he could very well have been privy to very important knoweldge and easily be instructed (requested) by DJT or others to play a specific role, for example. In fact, the Q drop says this about the 'team'.
Then, there was all the stuff that happened right AFTER the election in 2020, when DJT switched around people to be acting Sec of Defense, the changes to the Special Ops chain of command, etc. Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller praised Pence and thanked Pence mentoring him and working with him in "some of the most complex military operations this nation has ever done". That doesn't necessarily mean anything about the Q operation, but it strongly implies something. (Miller was Acting Sec Def. From Nov. 9, 2020, until Jan. 20, 2021).
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You can count the people who have the full picture on two hands.
That doesn't even necessarily mean there are only 10 on the team. It means, only less than ten have the full picture, and that up to 6 of them are military (emphasizing the military nature of the operation and the very controlled nature of who knows what). Possibly, the persons doing the posting may not even have been included in those 10. I doubt it, but it's possible.
So, for me, the idea that [Pence was not on Q team] = [Pence was completely ignorant of any plan or of certain fundamentals of the plan or was just some place holder doing whatever], I just don't see it that way.
That's not how military operations work, and its not for that matter how an administration works, either. in very secretive or clandestine operations, its usually a need to know basis. But it doesn't mean no one except the top people know nothing or don't have their roles or missions.
And that's why it seemed to me that you don't factor in the Q operation, but I see that in fact it's just that we have very different concepts of what that operation is and how it was (or is being) executed.
For me, the existence of the Q operation implies directly that many, many people are working together in a clandestine strategy that interconnects with the Q operation itself (which is the operation as I said to engage and activate a large awake civilian intelligence network aka anons and trigger a massive worldwide awakening to the reality of the evil behind the veil).
I guess some folks watched the Patriot Joe video (I watched it many times) "The Plan to Save the World" and they think somehow that a) less than 10 people are involved in the operation (whereas less than 10 people KNOW the WHOLE PICTURE) and b) that the Q operation = the WHOLE strategy by DJT and the White Hats to ..... save the world?
I see the Q operation as a military intelligence operation that functions as PART of a much larger overall war and strategy to take down the Cabal and destroy the Deep State in the US and elsewhere. "biggest info drop ever"
Am I correct in thinking, then that you basically think that unless someone is directly on the Q team or rather has direct knowledge of the Whole Plan that they basically know nothing, and are just playing a .... normie role? Serious question.
No, but we can examine a very wide set of data and information to apply logical analysis and reasoning to come up with explanations that map more or map less on to the known facts.
Taking about the 2000 facts garnered over the last 5 years, I don't buy the premise that Pence is deep state or that DJT was forced to accept him, but he was a snake undermining DJT all the time. But obviously others have different views.
I think everything has been planned out meticulously, including contingencies, and timing, responses from the opponents (DS), and that the plan was essentially a three-stage plan:
Preparation and Foundation Phase
ONE. Trump Administration 1 - flush the key power positions and neutralize the enemy strongholds by siloing them and cutting them off from their established communication systems (remember the Star Wars gaming thing, for example), while showing how well everything can go when the right steps are taken byb a government NOT under Cabal control.
Exposure and disclosure phase
TWO. Trump 'Administration' '#2' - Devolution and continuity of government activated by Trump at the end of ONE to safeguard certain KEY functions of government so that things never actually get out of control beyond a certain point, then let the enemy run their playbook, including stealing the election, all the while keeping the enemy network (from highest ups to lowly minions) essentially in the dark and not knowing what the White Hats are doing, and showing America and the world what the REAL agenda is by the Cabal, and how much they hate freedom and people, etc, and how deep the corruption actually goes, in ALL institutions, including the judiciary, media, corporations, govt, depts. etc, WHILE pushing the conditions that implode the Fiat Currency Cabal system.
(Putin could never have cleaned out and exposed Ukraine, for example, with DJT in the White House. So how to clean out Ukraine?)
Justice and Completion Stage
THREE. Trump Administration 2 (#3). On the basis of a fully awakened population and with the necessary public mandate (not just maga but the vast majority of Americans), execute the full decimation of the Deep State apparatus (all remnants) and remove the malignancy that has been there for decades and centuries.
There is a LOT of evidence that points very very strongly towards this being the actual WH plan (not to be confused with the Q plan or the Q operation itself, which is like a special ops operation run as part of the overall plan).
Anyway, that's how I see it these days. And that's after tracking Q and the core situation closely after 5+ years. But either way, we don't need to agree. No one is going to know exactly or perfectly, so we can always learn from others.
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Thanks for the reply. I actually have used the same D-Day argument myself and for the same reasons you did. I know how that works - I was USAF for 10 years. Part of that time was spent at NORAD as an admin for WWMCCS and JOPES. Half of my career was also at the Pentagon. I had a TS-SSBI with SCI the entire time, and a Q later on when I was an NRC cyber inspector.
However I don't agree Pence was privy to any real Q operations info. That doesn't mean he wasn't asked to do certain things that were actually part of the plan. Much like the D-Day example. Besides, like I said I don't believe he had anything to offer. The VP is not even in or over the military either. There is no vice commander-in-chief. VP only has 2 official jobs. One is President of the Senate, and the other is "be ready if the POTUS dies".
This is an interesting question. My answer is mostly a yes. It is similar to an SAP. The people on an SAP know what the program is about. More people play a part in that program, but only a part. They have no idea about the SAP - they are not allowed to, but they may be an important part of the overall operation without knowing they are actually working on an SAP. Things are compartmentalized for a reason. You may often need operations from outside of a program, and you may even have a need to keep those operations secret from other teams doing other operations. Even if just for plausible deniability.
Something I think a lot of people don't understand is "the plan" is not a single plan. It can't be, because situations change. There may be an outline with desired results for an overall plan, but there would have to be numerous plans based on different situations or results. Otherwise one setback or failure could sink the whole plan. If you were in the military maybe you have heard of SIOP (or SIOP-ESI) - Single Integrated Operational Plan - Extremely Sensitive Information. That was the US nuclear war plan until about 2003 (now they use OPLANs). It has "single" in the name but that plan had a whole bunch of plans and targets. I imagine "The Plan" is similar.
Also, if my theory is correct and it was up to Pence to do what Trump asked on Jan 6th (but he did not) then Devolution became necessary. If Pence sent the results back to the states and it was proven that Trump won then devolution may not have been necessary.
Same for Ukraine. Did you ever think that Trump and Putin could have talked about those bio labs and all the corruption in Ukraine? For all we know, Trump may have promised Putin they would work together to eliminate them, stop the child trafficking, prosecute the Bidens for their corruption and interference in Ukraine, and continue to work together on the rest of the world as well. There has been speculation for a long time that Trump, Putin, and possibly XI were all working together against the DS. When it became clear that Trump was not going to win any of the court cases and Pence was not going to send the results to the states Putin may not have wanted to risk another 4 years of bio labs on his borders and took matters into his own hands.
Here's a question for you: Trump has been saying he will be able to end the Ukraine war in 24 hours if he is elected (even before his inauguration). I think we all know when Trump says something as strongly as he says this, he has a good reason and knows something. Why do you think he is so insistent that he would be able to end it on one day? My guess is because once Trump wins the election Putin (and maybe Xi) will be able to work together again to take down the DS from a position of power and Trump will be able to prosecute the people he needs to (assuming he gets a competent AG this time).
I don't know if any of this is correct, or if so how much, but I think we are probably closer in thought than you may realize. We all have different experiences to draw on, and I happen to have a lot of time in jobs that required clearances (15 total years). I don't know about you, but those experiences I had help shape the way I look at Q and the plan in general.
This has been fun - I like it when I am forced to think. The board needs more of these kinds of discussions.