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Why are you even talking about slavery. Slavery for blacks ended long ago the slavery today is women and hcildren that are trafficked. Talk about that.
Not one black person living in the US today was ever a slave. You cant move forward if you live in the past.
The issue in the article relates to recent curious changes in the Florida school curriculum, which require teachers to talk about slaves learning certain skills which "in some cases" provided a "personal benefit".
How I interpret this is that a slave that learned wagon repairs or blacksmithing for example would have benefited from that knowledge after slavery was abolished. That doesn't seem like a stretch to me, but the addition of that sentence in the curriculum is being criticized for claiming slavery provided any "benefits". The whole controversy seems overblown in my view but I admit it's not an issue I'm very sensitive to and I would appreciate some more diverse perspectives.
The facts that - (1) being enslaved in any capacity is heinous and (2) being taught skills that are beneficial to one’s future is a benefit - are not mutually exclusive. It doesn’t have to be all one and none of the other. Yes, it would have been a whole lot better (to put it mildly) if these men, women and children were free, paid fairly and treated with due respect for their work and were taught skills that would benefit them going forward. But they did learn those skills regardless of their circumstances.
It sounds as if your friends are overly emotional and can’t discuss the matter in a purely intellectual manner. I’m going to guess your friends will be fervently against including the history of white slavery in the curriculum also. They want to hang onto a narrative and don’t truly want to dispassionately discuss the topic. Someday when the tv tells them the same thing you’re trying to, perhaps they’ll be more accepting.
It also reminds me of the biblical concept of how, when satan, through his many minions, throws up trials to break us, God uses these to strengthen us. MHO.
That's a pretty accurate summary of the situation. My friend's girlfriend is African American and they are both fantastic people, but when it comes to discussing racially charged topics like this, he has to be overly defensive (to virtue signal for her I guess?) and it completely feels unfair from an intellectual standpoint to try and argue with both of them in that context.
Virtue signaling is not good for anyone, least of all the young lady, in this instance, trying to somehow insulate her feelings vs making her (and him) stop with the emotional claptrap and look reality squarely in its face. The DS, through the insidious tripe they’ve been feeding students in their curriculums throughout their indoctrination, has aimed to shut down discourse and replace it with emotional overreaction based on falsehoods, half-truths and lies - all in an effort to sow division.
I think it’s much worse for the younger generations. One of my best friends (for over 45 years) is black (I’m Caucasian) and we’ve always been able to discuss any topic including race. Frankly I could not care less if they were purple and I were green. Color makes not a single difference to either of us, but both of us have pretty solid BS detectors and don’t shy away from discussing when people are trying to be manipulative.
It’s their choice what they want to believe. They can embrace the circus clown spirit of people like Al Sharpton (pushing victimhood and division) or the realistic, straight-talking spirit of Thomas Sowell (a national treasure, imho) or anything in-between. For you, my advice would be to keep the peace with this couple, just tell them you love them both and that triggering topics are probably best left for the future when cooler heads can prevail. Understand also that this particular topic inre Florida education matters is extremely politically charged right now so your friends are likely getting double and triple doses of BS from the FNM.
I really hope we can get to the point where the DS is eradicated and we can all go forth in a much better world. God willing, in my lifetime.
I do not understand that something that ended about 150 years ago is an issue today.
My own parents were slaves and they were white, did not learn any skills unless you call moving boulders and digging mass graves a skill. Thats not being taught in schools.... maybe because they were white Christians.
One of the arguments for slavery was that blacks were inherently inferior. You would have to adhere to that sentiment in order to believe blacks couldn't/wouldn't/didn't learn skills from their masters by just doing the work required.
If you work in a plantation, and you have a brain, you're going to develop farming skills. Whether that's in order to avoid beatings, to self-improve, or in spite of yourself, it's going to happen.
I'm not sure why this is controversial, unless the other side believes blacks actually are inherently inferior.
But a mix of being blown out of proportion and taken out of context wouldn’t surprise me.
That and schools are notorious for gross over simplification of complex and or nuanced topics to save time and money when doing curriculum. Which again wouldn’t really help matters any.
The reason this story upsets libs is because they see it as the beginning of a slippery slope of minimizing the abusive nature of slavery. The correct response is to not defend this curriculum, because ultimately it's a distraction from the real reason slavery as a topic should be minimized: Slavery has absolutely no influence over the current condition of the black population. Fault for that belongs to failed Democrat policies like the Great Society, the New Deal, and the Community Reinvestment Act under Carter and its ammendment under Clinton. The black population was doing well for itself before the Democrats destroyed their familes and degraded their culture through these policies.
The decedents of slaves should be happy their ancestors endured slavery in what is now the US. Otherwise they would be living a harsh life in Africa. Maybe digging Cobalt with their hands.
The importation of slaves ended in 1808 and slavery ended in 1865. It took a while to unwind what the English Crown created in the colonies. The English didn't want to pay money for lumber, tobacco, cotton and sugar; so they traded slaves.
Ok the second time I clicked it opened without forced subscription.
Why are you even talking about slavery. Slavery for blacks ended long ago the slavery today is women and hcildren that are trafficked. Talk about that.
Not one black person living in the US today was ever a slave. You cant move forward if you live in the past.
The issue in the article relates to recent curious changes in the Florida school curriculum, which require teachers to talk about slaves learning certain skills which "in some cases" provided a "personal benefit".
How I interpret this is that a slave that learned wagon repairs or blacksmithing for example would have benefited from that knowledge after slavery was abolished. That doesn't seem like a stretch to me, but the addition of that sentence in the curriculum is being criticized for claiming slavery provided any "benefits". The whole controversy seems overblown in my view but I admit it's not an issue I'm very sensitive to and I would appreciate some more diverse perspectives.
The facts that - (1) being enslaved in any capacity is heinous and (2) being taught skills that are beneficial to one’s future is a benefit - are not mutually exclusive. It doesn’t have to be all one and none of the other. Yes, it would have been a whole lot better (to put it mildly) if these men, women and children were free, paid fairly and treated with due respect for their work and were taught skills that would benefit them going forward. But they did learn those skills regardless of their circumstances.
It sounds as if your friends are overly emotional and can’t discuss the matter in a purely intellectual manner. I’m going to guess your friends will be fervently against including the history of white slavery in the curriculum also. They want to hang onto a narrative and don’t truly want to dispassionately discuss the topic. Someday when the tv tells them the same thing you’re trying to, perhaps they’ll be more accepting.
It also reminds me of the biblical concept of how, when satan, through his many minions, throws up trials to break us, God uses these to strengthen us. MHO.
That's a pretty accurate summary of the situation. My friend's girlfriend is African American and they are both fantastic people, but when it comes to discussing racially charged topics like this, he has to be overly defensive (to virtue signal for her I guess?) and it completely feels unfair from an intellectual standpoint to try and argue with both of them in that context.
Virtue signaling is not good for anyone, least of all the young lady, in this instance, trying to somehow insulate her feelings vs making her (and him) stop with the emotional claptrap and look reality squarely in its face. The DS, through the insidious tripe they’ve been feeding students in their curriculums throughout their indoctrination, has aimed to shut down discourse and replace it with emotional overreaction based on falsehoods, half-truths and lies - all in an effort to sow division.
I think it’s much worse for the younger generations. One of my best friends (for over 45 years) is black (I’m Caucasian) and we’ve always been able to discuss any topic including race. Frankly I could not care less if they were purple and I were green. Color makes not a single difference to either of us, but both of us have pretty solid BS detectors and don’t shy away from discussing when people are trying to be manipulative.
It’s their choice what they want to believe. They can embrace the circus clown spirit of people like Al Sharpton (pushing victimhood and division) or the realistic, straight-talking spirit of Thomas Sowell (a national treasure, imho) or anything in-between. For you, my advice would be to keep the peace with this couple, just tell them you love them both and that triggering topics are probably best left for the future when cooler heads can prevail. Understand also that this particular topic inre Florida education matters is extremely politically charged right now so your friends are likely getting double and triple doses of BS from the FNM.
I really hope we can get to the point where the DS is eradicated and we can all go forth in a much better world. God willing, in my lifetime.
I do not understand that something that ended about 150 years ago is an issue today.
My own parents were slaves and they were white, did not learn any skills unless you call moving boulders and digging mass graves a skill. Thats not being taught in schools.... maybe because they were white Christians.
I agree , so true and never talked about !
One of the arguments for slavery was that blacks were inherently inferior. You would have to adhere to that sentiment in order to believe blacks couldn't/wouldn't/didn't learn skills from their masters by just doing the work required.
If you work in a plantation, and you have a brain, you're going to develop farming skills. Whether that's in order to avoid beatings, to self-improve, or in spite of yourself, it's going to happen.
I'm not sure why this is controversial, unless the other side believes blacks actually are inherently inferior.
I haven’t look at the information in question.
But a mix of being blown out of proportion and taken out of context wouldn’t surprise me.
That and schools are notorious for gross over simplification of complex and or nuanced topics to save time and money when doing curriculum. Which again wouldn’t really help matters any.
Ron is a RINO.
Thank you for your generous contribution to the discussion
The reason this story upsets libs is because they see it as the beginning of a slippery slope of minimizing the abusive nature of slavery. The correct response is to not defend this curriculum, because ultimately it's a distraction from the real reason slavery as a topic should be minimized: Slavery has absolutely no influence over the current condition of the black population. Fault for that belongs to failed Democrat policies like the Great Society, the New Deal, and the Community Reinvestment Act under Carter and its ammendment under Clinton. The black population was doing well for itself before the Democrats destroyed their familes and degraded their culture through these policies.
The decedents of slaves should be happy their ancestors endured slavery in what is now the US. Otherwise they would be living a harsh life in Africa. Maybe digging Cobalt with their hands.
The importation of slaves ended in 1808 and slavery ended in 1865. It took a while to unwind what the English Crown created in the colonies. The English didn't want to pay money for lumber, tobacco, cotton and sugar; so they traded slaves.