In exchange for economic support from United States, the government of Kazakhstan agreed to transfer 30 biological laboratories from Ukraine to its territory. This was announced by the dir. of the Agency for ethno-national strategy, Aleksandr Kobrinsky.
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This is flagrantly false. Certainly not ALL former Soviet states, shit barely half if that. The Dutchy of Lithuania (Pol-Lit Commonwealth) & the former Austro-Prussian Empire are simple enough proof of this.
The original Rus territory from your projected timeframe (1000 yrs past) covers the Caucauses, Belarus, Ukraine, and about half of Estonia. The rest of the current EU former satellite states were territories of other long removed empires, or their own sovereign states. E.g. The Baltic states were never a part of the Rus Empire until the 1700s when Rus & Sweden were at war for said territory.
I think it's "Duchy". Nothing to do with Holland. ;)
You're correct. Thanks fren, my grammar is not the best at times.
Soviet Socialist Repulics (S.S.R.s) = "former Soviet Republics". You are correct that Baltic Republics are NOT included. Lenin made sure to clarify via all international treaties that the following was true: "All former Russian Territory is now Soviet Territory." And Stalin reinforced this with a steel fist in addition to his attempted takeover of Eastern Europe and parts of the Middle East.
Lenin "gifted" Russian territory to the S.S.R. of Ukraine in anticipation of an attempt to make a country out of it with stolen Russian land around 1922. He likely did the same thing with Kazahkstan although I haven't seen any sauce on that (speculating at this point on an additional "gift" to that S.S.R.). It is quite interesting, imo, that the Russian "special operation" started a 100 years later.
When the Soviet Union got "dissolved", the new Russian Federation never relinquished any Soviet Territory. Eastern Europe and the Baltic States were never officially incorporated into Russian Territory, despite being controlled by the Soviet Union. Since 1991, the media has created the fake country of Ukraine which legally does not exist. The same likely applies to Kazahkstan.
Indeed. I was just correcting your over simplification of "all" former SSRs.
So we're in agreement that most were not in fact Rus Empire territory leading up to the 18th century.
All of these former SSRs were either autonomous nations or part of other empires pre 1700.
I completely concur about the Ukraine territory though. Same goes for Belarus and the lower half of Finland. I too am a bit lost regarding the post Napoleanic state of the Caucauses.
Additionally I would add that the list I just bulleted the new Russian constitution written in 1991 does not claim or cede land territory to Russia, but it does offer blanket protection for all Russian speaking people in those countries. It's a bit similar to our own policy in America when "rescuing" citizens abroad. E.g. Russian constitution would figuratively "cover" a military operation in any former SSR if the govt deemed the Russian population of (insert SSR here) in detriment.
Which is why Russia was/is legally covered by their own constitution to invade Ukraine, period. Even the UN & NATO agreed to this IRT 30 years ago.
Agreed. There is a distinction between the original 11 pre 1940 SSRs and all the rest. The two added in 1936 might also be suspect. Conversion from Russian Territory held at the time of the Revolution in 1917 into SSRs, and then back into autonomous countries does not appear to be legal. Conversion of sovereign states into occupied SSRs and then back into sovereign states with removal of occupier DOES appear to be legit (per your nice distinction on the Baltic States). 1940 and after SSRs appear to all be "war trophies" or "occupied territories" from an international law standpoint. Law of War appears to apply to those.
Interesting that there are some "temporary SSRs" I did not know about: https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/Republics_of_the_Soviet_Union