Lincolns income tax was temporary, it was how funds were raised for the Civil War. After the Civil War, the income tax expired. It wasn't until 1913 when the 16th Amendment was ratified that Federal income taxes were permanently installed. This was after several attenpts at instituting income taxes were rebuffed, because they were deemed unconstitutional.
Just stating the facts that income taxes were instituted to pay for the Civil War and that they weren't actually enacted until after 1913. Just being precise. Some folks may not know history very well and your statement may have made people believe that income taxes are only around because Lincoln instituted them. Between when the Civil War tax expired and the 1913 Constitutional Congress, I think the government began to like the money to spend and tried several times to bring them back, the Supreme Court struck it down every time until they had it ratified in the 16th Amendment.
you started the argument with the lengthy comment. are you unhappy that the south had so many racists from the democrat party and continues to have them today? because the comment does not address todays democrats accusing anyone that opposes them of being racist which is what this post is being critical of by pointing out their history that they love to ignore. and looking at your comment, the dems are calling todays christians racists regardless of the history of being pro slavery.
I didn't realize this was supposed to be an argument. I was viewing it as conversation and the sharing of ideas. Even those ideas that don't agree with others.
I apologize for the length of my post. I grew up pre-twitter, and forget that a huge chunk of the population are accustomed to only reading tweets and memes and dislike reading long posts.
I did address how today's Democrats automatically label Republicans as racists and how I sympathized with how tiring that is. You seem to have missed that in my long post.
I'm unhappy that people play identity politics with people who lived 160 years ago. I'm also unhappy that you seem to have missed my entire point.
As much as people like to deny it, there ARE Christians who are Democrats, so they are apparently calling themselves racists?
There is a definite problem today of people thinking in absolutes. Such as the idea that ALL Democrats are exactly like. And ALL Christians are Conservative. Or that because someone disagrees with you over ONE issue, they MUST disagree with you on ALL issues.
Did you really miss the entire point of my post, or are you simply ignoring it in favor of getting angry over things you take issue with? Because you really seem angry that I don't agree with the idea that Democrats of 160 years ago and the Democrats of today have the same ideals.
Is this supposed to be one of those "Democrats are the racists!" responses to Republicans being called racist?
If so, I 100% understand how tiring it is that Democrats call you racist simply because you're a Republican.
But the parties of the mid-1800s aren't the same as the parties today. No, I'm not saying the parties "switched". They simply no longer hold the same platforms as they did over 150 years ago.
ok, but this sounds like typical liberal response to being called out. "the parties have changed" oh, but you say they arent.
Lincoln did what he had to do to fight slavery, as that was the major platform he ran on to become president. are you saying the south was correct to secede from the union on states rights grounds? I would say they did the right thing. which would make the civil war not about slavery but states rights. and the left loves to claim anyone that thinks the civil war was not about slavery is a racist. so there is that.
do you REALLY think christians that support the socialist policies of todays democrat party are actually christians? is someone that murders fetuses for convenience really a christian?
I think your comment is more about revealing who you are as opposed to arguing the actual point of the original post here. maybe have a relook at both. maybe it is you that is missing the point. this is not the first time our paths have crossed on this forum, and for similar reasons.
Lincolns income tax was temporary, it was how funds were raised for the Civil War. After the Civil War, the income tax expired. It wasn't until 1913 when the 16th Amendment was ratified that Federal income taxes were permanently installed. This was after several attenpts at instituting income taxes were rebuffed, because they were deemed unconstitutional.
Ok. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, exactly.
Are you trying to negate his actions because they were temporary?
Or did you just want to contribute some trivia to the conversation? Looking to start a conversation on the topic?
Or was there some other point I'm not getting?
I'm not trying to start an argument. I would just like to understand the reason for your response. Thanks.
Just stating the facts that income taxes were instituted to pay for the Civil War and that they weren't actually enacted until after 1913. Just being precise. Some folks may not know history very well and your statement may have made people believe that income taxes are only around because Lincoln instituted them. Between when the Civil War tax expired and the 1913 Constitutional Congress, I think the government began to like the money to spend and tried several times to bring them back, the Supreme Court struck it down every time until they had it ratified in the 16th Amendment.
Understood. Thanks for the clarification.
you started the argument with the lengthy comment. are you unhappy that the south had so many racists from the democrat party and continues to have them today? because the comment does not address todays democrats accusing anyone that opposes them of being racist which is what this post is being critical of by pointing out their history that they love to ignore. and looking at your comment, the dems are calling todays christians racists regardless of the history of being pro slavery.
I didn't realize this was supposed to be an argument. I was viewing it as conversation and the sharing of ideas. Even those ideas that don't agree with others.
I apologize for the length of my post. I grew up pre-twitter, and forget that a huge chunk of the population are accustomed to only reading tweets and memes and dislike reading long posts.
I did address how today's Democrats automatically label Republicans as racists and how I sympathized with how tiring that is. You seem to have missed that in my long post.
I'm unhappy that people play identity politics with people who lived 160 years ago. I'm also unhappy that you seem to have missed my entire point.
As much as people like to deny it, there ARE Christians who are Democrats, so they are apparently calling themselves racists?
There is a definite problem today of people thinking in absolutes. Such as the idea that ALL Democrats are exactly like. And ALL Christians are Conservative. Or that because someone disagrees with you over ONE issue, they MUST disagree with you on ALL issues.
Did you really miss the entire point of my post, or are you simply ignoring it in favor of getting angry over things you take issue with? Because you really seem angry that I don't agree with the idea that Democrats of 160 years ago and the Democrats of today have the same ideals.
ok, but this sounds like typical liberal response to being called out. "the parties have changed" oh, but you say they arent.
Lincoln did what he had to do to fight slavery, as that was the major platform he ran on to become president. are you saying the south was correct to secede from the union on states rights grounds? I would say they did the right thing. which would make the civil war not about slavery but states rights. and the left loves to claim anyone that thinks the civil war was not about slavery is a racist. so there is that.
do you REALLY think christians that support the socialist policies of todays democrat party are actually christians? is someone that murders fetuses for convenience really a christian?
I think your comment is more about revealing who you are as opposed to arguing the actual point of the original post here. maybe have a relook at both. maybe it is you that is missing the point. this is not the first time our paths have crossed on this forum, and for similar reasons.