Trump says he only needs one more indictment to get elected. He currently has three indictments, though, so I would think he’d need three more due to Q drop 3934…
And then there’s this interesting article about the case against Assange, and how, due to Trump’s indictment, the US can’t drop the charges against JA because they’d have to drop the case against Trump, too.
The vanishing options for Julian Assange.
Any chance that the United States would drop the extradition request has most likely been further diminished by the separate charges that have now been brought against Trump. The Department of Justice, following a joint investigation with the FBI, has laid 37 charges against Trump relating to documents and materials that were seized at his Florida residence. The charges include unauthorised retention of classified documents and conspiracy to obstruct justice after he left the White House in 2021, and 31 charges under the Espionage Act.
Somewhat remarkably, both Assange and Trump are now the most prominent Espionage Act cases in the United States. (emphasis mine.) Assange for gaining access to classified US national security documents and publishing some of that material on WikiLeaks, and Trump for retaining national security documents after he left the White House. Given the developments in the Trump case, it is highly unlikely and politically would be very damaging for the Biden administration if a decision was made to discontinue its pursuit of Julian Assange, while at the same time continuing its pursuit of Donald Trump.
The indictments are clearly laying groundwork for big developments moving forward, but I’m curious why Trump is suggesting four indictments seals the deal. Unless 3934 doesn’t apply to him.
This one appears more like a template on how we "show" the ppl. Or perhaps how the civ/non-civilian charges are stacked and racked in total. Dunno, all theory at this point. Glad to see more posts discussing the drops.
Indictment - “A formal charge OR ACCUSATION”. His Impeachments were more of an “accusation” than a formal charge. Could they be included within this list…🤔
That’s a good point.
is it possible the six spaces are for the six unnamed co-conspirators in the Jan 6th non-civil (criminal) indictment?
I didn’t even know they’d included anyone else until this morning.
If it is about Trump, I guess they are going to through treason charges into the mix before 2024?
Today's Arizona Repugnant has a big front page spread about how Boris Epshteyn, a Trump advisor who "worked hard to overturn the election results in Arizona," could be the 6th co-conspirator. He was involved with the "slate of false electors" sent to Congress. The AR also has pix of Giuliani, John Eastman, Sidney Powell, Jeffrey Clark, and a placeholder for Kenneth Chesebro.
Boris or Mike Roman are rumored for #6.
Indictments are always criminal. Trump and every other American cannot be charged with treason right now because you need to be in a declared state of war. Treason in the legal sense has a very narrow meaning.
The last treason trial goes back to WWII
I think Trump said 4, because it's very likely he will indicted in GA, and he was trolling the DA there.
But Trump is a civilian, no?
Yes, he is, but there’s different types of litigation—Civil and Criminal.
Civil courts handle things like divorces,, defamation, business deals, land disputes…anything that doesn’t relate to criminal charges.
Criminal proceedings require criminal charges. Criminal proceedings are tried by the state, trying to prove the defendant committed a felony or misdemeanor
Oooo thank you :)
#4621 has the first one filled in. Recently another anon had a good proof based on it but I don't have it offhand. But Durham would have indicted three total right?
Kevin Clinesmith, Michael Sussmann, and Igor Danchenko
u/#q4621
Another way to map this out is maybe there is a public/private mirror of these six indictments. Consider 11.3, where we have Kevin Clinesmith indicted. Maybe the private mirror of that is Podesta being indicated?
u/#q15
Maybe Flynn, Stone ...indictments play into the count
There's definitely a resemblance there between DJT, JT and JA
Re: https://worldnews123.one/media/k2/items/cache/356ecf74a889b7f7265d645375aae6ce_XL.jpg
(>) = “greater than”, non-civilian…🤔
Another fun comparison to both the Trump and Assange cases:
What if they both simply fall under the precedent established in US vs. NYT (Pentagon Papers case)?
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/why-the-press-can-publish-any-classified-material-it-likes/371488/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._United_States
That is, what if they both published (in the case of Assange) or shared (in the case of Trump) stolen documents? In Assange's case it was documents stolen by Manning and others. In Trump's case, it appears from Q post #341
u/#q341
...that he stole the documents Obama stole. They both seem like open and shut cases once they actually get to court.
Trump and Assange are charged under The Espionage Act, but they are charged for different crimes.....the law specifies multiple type of crimes within in it.
Assange's case is not like NY Times and Sullivan because they are saying he did not just innocently get classified info sent to him .
He is being charged with actively conspiring with Manning to steel this info.
Assange's case is not like Trump's because Trump was authorized to have this info when he first got it.
IANAL but US v Trump/Nauta has charges under 793e on page 28 here:
https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump-Nauta_23-80101.pdf
Among a pile of other things. I guess the idea is to just throw everything out there and let the other side gets some wins by having parts of it tossed out.
Assange's indictment has 793e referenced on page 5 here:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1153486/download
So by my reading the cases at least seem partially relatable to US v NYT through the charges filed under 793e.
Here is 793e for reference:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793
And totally agree w/Trump as POTUS being an obvious exception that'll be willfully ignored till we hit the Supreme Court in all likelihood.
Yes, but Assange has now been charged with other crimes in a superseding indictment
Criminal No. l:18-cr-111 (CMH) Count 1: 18 U.S.C. § 793(g) Conspiracy To Obtain and Disclose National Defense Information
Count 2: 18 U.S.C. § 371 Conspiracy to Commit Computer Intrusions
Counts 3, 4: 18: 18 U.S.C §§ 793(b) Obtaining National Defense Infmmation
Counts 5-8: 18 U.S.C. §§ 793(c) Obtaining National Defense Information
Counts 9-11: 18 U.S.C. §§ 793(d) and Disclosure Of National Defense Information
Counts 12-14: 18 U.S.C. §§ 793(e) and Disclosure Of National Defense Information
Counts 15-17: 18 U.S.C. § 793(e) Disclosure Of National Defense Information