Jesus never calls himself Yahweh or Elohim or anything the Jews called their God. The only similarity is the burning bush and God saying say that I am sent you. And Jesus telling the Jewish leaders that even before Abraham was born I Am. That’s it. Jesus never calls his father by the name of the God of the Jews, mind you… he was Jewish himself.
This is patently false. Numerous times Jesus gave himself the same names and titles YHWH gave himself in the OT. In fact, the religious leaders charged him with blasphemy, which is punishable by death. Blasphemy, to a first century, second temple Jew, was equating oneself with the god of the Old Testament (YHWH).
Again, your just coming up with stuff. So you think the entire time Jesus and the Jewish Pharisee’s were in conversation….that they were talking about two different Gods? Show me where that is mentioned? In your head? Jesus clearly says to them He and the Father are the same. John 10:30
The Jewish leaders about lost it and wanted Jesus dead for this. The Father in question is the same Father Elisha prayed to. The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. The one they called Yahweh. Jesus didn’t say “hey fellas, I’m Yahweh!” No. The only thing God has called himself was I Am, and you’ve stated. And that was the God of Moses. Which is the same God as Joseph, and David and etc, etc, etc. Jesus and God are equal. The same. As Jesus said himself.
So again, Elisha prayed to the God of the Old Testament. Jesus was there with the Father since the beginning. Except there is no beginning or end to something that’s infinite. Jesus is the heel that will bruise the head of the serpent. As God in Genesis said.
Agree to disagree fren. I personally don’t believe God the father, is the same God of the Old Testament. Killing kids, flooding the world, murdering because he is jealous.. why does a supreme being have to be jealous of others? If he truly is the one and only, why make it such a big deal that humans don’t worship other gods.
The God Christ calls father, is himself in the spiritual level, Jesus is the manifestation of that divine creator… everywhere in ancient times that Jews settled, everyone outside of the Jews always thought of their God as an evil being. And indeed he is, look at the Old Testament for proof.
Wow…you need serious lessons. You need a church with a Sunday school class.
God is not jealous of others, He is jealous of you. It’s what YOU do. People have been praying to pagan gods and the like for thousands of years. God created YOU in the image of HIMSELF. Heaven is created for you. Hell is created for the devil Satan. When the devil tricks and misleads you, you have followed the wrong path. God, of the Old Testament…the one you called evil, sent His son Jesus that died of your sins. Your sins and mine. That’s how much He loves you. He’s jealous of your love. It should be for Him not some devil cast out of Heaven. Yet you call Him evil for his actions against the devil. Jesus was fulfilling the law of God. The ultimate sacrifice. The new covenant, with God. This is where your having issues.
The world was flooded because people had been so misled there was literally one man left who believed in the Father in Heaven. One. Noah. You see this as evil. You clearly don’t understand the meaning of Love and Fear thy God. Not boogy man fear. Fear of Gods wrath. It’s a real thing.
Your trying to understand a God that is unlimited wisdom. Your a ant under the boot heel of a human. The ant thinks he’s got it all figured out. You don’t. And your forgetting the God of the Old Testament, is the Father Jesus referred to. Prove that wrong. And you can rewrite the Bible.
Jesus speaking about the father and him being the same has nothing to do with the God of the Jews being someone else… don’t try to make connections illogically please.
Jesus never calls himself Yahweh or Elohim or anything the Jews called their God. The only similarity is the burning bush and God saying say that I am sent you. And Jesus telling the Jewish leaders that even before Abraham was born I Am. That’s it. Jesus never calls his father by the name of the God of the Jews, mind you… he was Jewish himself.
This is patently false. Numerous times Jesus gave himself the same names and titles YHWH gave himself in the OT. In fact, the religious leaders charged him with blasphemy, which is punishable by death. Blasphemy, to a first century, second temple Jew, was equating oneself with the god of the Old Testament (YHWH).
Are you saying tang Jesus is not grater than the God of the Jews. Because to me he is not only grater, but a much better guide and friend.
Again, your just coming up with stuff. So you think the entire time Jesus and the Jewish Pharisee’s were in conversation….that they were talking about two different Gods? Show me where that is mentioned? In your head? Jesus clearly says to them He and the Father are the same. John 10:30
The Jewish leaders about lost it and wanted Jesus dead for this. The Father in question is the same Father Elisha prayed to. The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. The one they called Yahweh. Jesus didn’t say “hey fellas, I’m Yahweh!” No. The only thing God has called himself was I Am, and you’ve stated. And that was the God of Moses. Which is the same God as Joseph, and David and etc, etc, etc. Jesus and God are equal. The same. As Jesus said himself.
So again, Elisha prayed to the God of the Old Testament. Jesus was there with the Father since the beginning. Except there is no beginning or end to something that’s infinite. Jesus is the heel that will bruise the head of the serpent. As God in Genesis said.
Agree to disagree fren. I personally don’t believe God the father, is the same God of the Old Testament. Killing kids, flooding the world, murdering because he is jealous.. why does a supreme being have to be jealous of others? If he truly is the one and only, why make it such a big deal that humans don’t worship other gods.
The God Christ calls father, is himself in the spiritual level, Jesus is the manifestation of that divine creator… everywhere in ancient times that Jews settled, everyone outside of the Jews always thought of their God as an evil being. And indeed he is, look at the Old Testament for proof.
Wow…you need serious lessons. You need a church with a Sunday school class. God is not jealous of others, He is jealous of you. It’s what YOU do. People have been praying to pagan gods and the like for thousands of years. God created YOU in the image of HIMSELF. Heaven is created for you. Hell is created for the devil Satan. When the devil tricks and misleads you, you have followed the wrong path. God, of the Old Testament…the one you called evil, sent His son Jesus that died of your sins. Your sins and mine. That’s how much He loves you. He’s jealous of your love. It should be for Him not some devil cast out of Heaven. Yet you call Him evil for his actions against the devil. Jesus was fulfilling the law of God. The ultimate sacrifice. The new covenant, with God. This is where your having issues. The world was flooded because people had been so misled there was literally one man left who believed in the Father in Heaven. One. Noah. You see this as evil. You clearly don’t understand the meaning of Love and Fear thy God. Not boogy man fear. Fear of Gods wrath. It’s a real thing.
Your trying to understand a God that is unlimited wisdom. Your a ant under the boot heel of a human. The ant thinks he’s got it all figured out. You don’t. And your forgetting the God of the Old Testament, is the Father Jesus referred to. Prove that wrong. And you can rewrite the Bible.
I disagree. Yahweh to me is evil. Jesus is love and light.
Jesus speaking about the father and him being the same has nothing to do with the God of the Jews being someone else… don’t try to make connections illogically please.