Earlier I gave examples from the gospel of John where Jesus claimed to be the same as the God of the Old Testament. Here is another example where Jesus identifies himself as the son of man coming on the clouds of heaven which is a direct link to Daniel 7. When Jesus said that in Matthew 26, the high priest tore his robes and accused him of blasphemy.
Daniel 7:13-14; Matthew 26:64; Mark 14:62; Revelation 1:7
In another comment you wrote this:
He even told the Jewish leaders, you are of your father the devil.
Now put those two ideas together. The high priest accused Jesus of blasphemy because Jesus claimed to be the son of the God of his Old Testament law.
The truth is that the Bible has plenty of data points where Jesus identifies himself with the YHWH of the Old Testament. No amount of side arguments can reconcile the fact that Jesus made these claims.
Here are five passages where Jesus used names or titles that are associated with God from the Old Testament. There are tons more:
"I am" - Exodus 3:14 and John 8:58: In Exodus 3:14, God identifies Himself as "I AM WHO I AM" (YHWH). In John 8:58, Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I am," using the same "I am" phrase, indicating his eternal nature and divine identity.
"Shepherd" - Psalm 23 and John 10:11: Psalm 23 refers to God as the Shepherd. In John 10:11, Jesus calls himself the "good shepherd," indicating his care and guidance for his followers.
"Alpha and Omega" - Isaiah 44:6 and Revelation 22:13: In Isaiah 44:6, God uses the term "Alpha and Omega" to describe Himself. In Revelation 22:13, Jesus refers to himself as the "Alpha and Omega," signifying his eternal and all-encompassing nature.
"First and Last" - Isaiah 41:4 and Revelation 1:17: Isaiah 41:4 contains the phrase "I am the first and I am the last." In Revelation 1:17, Jesus uses the same phrase to describe himself, emphasizing his eternity and divinity.
"Lord of lords" - Deuteronomy 10:17 and Revelation 17:14: Deuteronomy 10:17 refers to God as the "Lord of lords." In Revelation 17:14, Jesus is referred to as the "Lord of lords" and the "King of kings," highlighting his supreme authority.
These passages suggest a parallel between the titles and names used for God in the Old Testament and how Jesus described himself in the New Testament, emphasizing his divine nature and identity.
Need some serious sauce to back this up. I prefer primary sources. The first Christians were the Disciples.
If you believe that Jesus was divine, and Jesus attributed to himself all the same names that YHWH used, then you’re in a little bit of a pickle with your theology. Follow me here for a second:
Jesus was divine
YHWH was evil
But Jesus attributed all the names of YHWH in the Old Testament to himself
And Jesus was put to death on the charge of Blasphemy - which is equating oneself with YHWH
Therefore, Jesus at least thought he was the same as the God of the OT
Either Jesus was the same as YHWH, or Jesus wasn’t and was seriously mistaken about his identity. But if he was mistaken, then he can’t be Divine. If Jesus wasn’t divine, then he lied about who he was and was the most evil of all because he declared himself to be the savior of the world all the while knowing that he wasn’t.
Earlier I gave examples from the gospel of John where Jesus claimed to be the same as the God of the Old Testament. Here is another example where Jesus identifies himself as the son of man coming on the clouds of heaven which is a direct link to Daniel 7. When Jesus said that in Matthew 26, the high priest tore his robes and accused him of blasphemy.
Daniel 7:13-14; Matthew 26:64; Mark 14:62; Revelation 1:7
In another comment you wrote this:
Now put those two ideas together. The high priest accused Jesus of blasphemy because Jesus claimed to be the son of the God of his Old Testament law.
The truth is that the Bible has plenty of data points where Jesus identifies himself with the YHWH of the Old Testament. No amount of side arguments can reconcile the fact that Jesus made these claims.
At no point does Jesus call himself Yahweh.
Here are five passages where Jesus used names or titles that are associated with God from the Old Testament. There are tons more:
"I am" - Exodus 3:14 and John 8:58: In Exodus 3:14, God identifies Himself as "I AM WHO I AM" (YHWH). In John 8:58, Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I am," using the same "I am" phrase, indicating his eternal nature and divine identity.
"Shepherd" - Psalm 23 and John 10:11: Psalm 23 refers to God as the Shepherd. In John 10:11, Jesus calls himself the "good shepherd," indicating his care and guidance for his followers.
"Alpha and Omega" - Isaiah 44:6 and Revelation 22:13: In Isaiah 44:6, God uses the term "Alpha and Omega" to describe Himself. In Revelation 22:13, Jesus refers to himself as the "Alpha and Omega," signifying his eternal and all-encompassing nature.
"First and Last" - Isaiah 41:4 and Revelation 1:17: Isaiah 41:4 contains the phrase "I am the first and I am the last." In Revelation 1:17, Jesus uses the same phrase to describe himself, emphasizing his eternity and divinity.
"Lord of lords" - Deuteronomy 10:17 and Revelation 17:14: Deuteronomy 10:17 refers to God as the "Lord of lords." In Revelation 17:14, Jesus is referred to as the "Lord of lords" and the "King of kings," highlighting his supreme authority.
These passages suggest a parallel between the titles and names used for God in the Old Testament and how Jesus described himself in the New Testament, emphasizing his divine nature and identity.
There is no question about Jesus being divine. But I believe Yahweh to be an evil being. The first Christians also shared this view.
Need some serious sauce to back this up. I prefer primary sources. The first Christians were the Disciples.
If you believe that Jesus was divine, and Jesus attributed to himself all the same names that YHWH used, then you’re in a little bit of a pickle with your theology. Follow me here for a second:
Either Jesus was the same as YHWH, or Jesus wasn’t and was seriously mistaken about his identity. But if he was mistaken, then he can’t be Divine. If Jesus wasn’t divine, then he lied about who he was and was the most evil of all because he declared himself to be the savior of the world all the while knowing that he wasn’t.
You have some reconciling to do, my fren.