"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic;...
The US Citizenship Oath says otherwise. How does Barron have Slovenian citizenship? Since his father is a US citizen, so is Barron from the day he was born. Where is this coming from? Who is passing this off?
Those with dual oaths have US citizenship first, then take a second oath for another country. Many Jewish Americans have taken an Israeli citizenship under Israel's policy, Right of Return, and kept their US citizenship.
By the way, the US does not demand that a naturalized citizen renounce their native citizenship. They can if they wish to. I believe that is where you're getting that oath. That's the oath a naturalized citizen gives if they wish to renounce their native citizenship.
Some foreign countries make you renounce your native citizenship if you become a citizen of a foreign country. Slovenia is not one of those countries. You may keep your citizenship there if you wish and become a naturalized US citizen as well.
"U.S. law does not require a U.S. citizen to choose between U.S. citizenship and another (foreign) nationality (or nationalities). A U.S. citizen may naturalize in a foreign state without any risk to their U.S. citizenship."
"U.S. law does not impede its citizens' acquisition of foreign citizenship whether by birth, descent, naturalization or other form of acquisition, by imposing requirements of permission from U.S. courts or any governmental agency. If a foreign country's law permits parents to apply for citizenship on behalf of minor children, nothing in U.S. law impedes U.S. citizen parents from doing so.
The issue as I understand it is a conflict of interest for government electees, appointees, and employees with dual citizenship.
Not sure involving Melania and Barron is the best argument to negate conflict of interest for legislatures, et al. Still lack admission or proof both have dual citizenship. Just because they can, doesn't mean they do.
Okay. Just curious, if you had evidence that they do hold dual citizenship, how would that change your opinions?
The democrats had a field day concerning Trump, Melania, Barron, and Melania's parents when he became President. Did you pay attention to it when it was going on?
It was when Trump was trying to make/change laws about people coming here on tourist or work visas and chain migration. And he had married a woman who was here on one of the visas he wanted to change. And then when she got her citizenship, she brought her parents over via chain migration. Which was something that Trump was, at the time, trying to reduce or eliminate.
So, yeah, the whole thing about Barron and Melania having dual citizenship and being the immediate family of the US President was chewed over relentlessly.
I'm surprised that you all didn't know/didn't remember any of that. It was a really, really, big deal during the first few months of Trump's presidency.
The attitudes I see here aren't limited to only those in Congress or in government positions. And the question of the loyalty of the President's wife and child is certainly as important as that of those in government positions.
So, yeah. People should really know this type of stuff when they have such strong opinions about it. And calling people with dual citizenship "enemies of America" is quite a strong opinion.
But going back to my original point, I wonder sometimes how well some people here would fare if some lib came up to them with a camera rolling and asked them these types of "gotcha" questions.
Because it is just embarrassing and cringe-worthy to watch what some idiots say on camera, who just so happen to support Trump and/or Q. And then it's made to seem like all Trump/Q supporters are that stupid.
So maybe we should at least be aware of these things. 🤷
Suppose at the time I felt the same as I do now. Seems anchor babies and chain migration has more to do with illegal entry than legal entry. Melania entered legally, so I had and still have no issue with her status.
The dual citizenship issue should be addressed for those in government whether elected, appointed, (sub)contracted, hired. I don't know any pro arguments for such. As for spouses, I suppose it depends. A dual citizenship with Ukraine is not the same as a dual citizenship with Slovenia.
The US Citizenship Oath says otherwise. How does Barron have Slovenian citizenship? Since his father is a US citizen, so is Barron from the day he was born. Where is this coming from? Who is passing this off?
Those with dual oaths have US citizenship first, then take a second oath for another country. Many Jewish Americans have taken an Israeli citizenship under Israel's policy, Right of Return, and kept their US citizenship.
By the way, the US does not demand that a naturalized citizen renounce their native citizenship. They can if they wish to. I believe that is where you're getting that oath. That's the oath a naturalized citizen gives if they wish to renounce their native citizenship.
Some foreign countries make you renounce your native citizenship if you become a citizen of a foreign country. Slovenia is not one of those countries. You may keep your citizenship there if you wish and become a naturalized US citizen as well.
"U.S. law does not require a U.S. citizen to choose between U.S. citizenship and another (foreign) nationality (or nationalities). A U.S. citizen may naturalize in a foreign state without any risk to their U.S. citizenship."
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/Advice-about-Possible-Loss-of-US-Nationality-Dual-Nationality/Dual-Nationality.html#:~:text=U.S.%20law%20does%20not%20require,risk%20to%20their%20U.S.%20citizenship.
"U.S. law does not impede its citizens' acquisition of foreign citizenship whether by birth, descent, naturalization or other form of acquisition, by imposing requirements of permission from U.S. courts or any governmental agency. If a foreign country's law permits parents to apply for citizenship on behalf of minor children, nothing in U.S. law impedes U.S. citizen parents from doing so.
https://www.usa.gov/dual-citizenship
You really should check out these links. You'll learn quite a bit.
That's the US government saying it. Not me.
I'm not the one responsible for their citizenship status. I'm not going to defend them one way or another.
If it's a matter of you not believing what I say, I applaud you for your skepticism. Go take a few minutes and look for yourself. It's not a secret.
PS- He's getting his Slovenian citizenship from his mother, who is....Slovenian.
Thanks for the info.
The issue as I understand it is a conflict of interest for government electees, appointees, and employees with dual citizenship.
Not sure involving Melania and Barron is the best argument to negate conflict of interest for legislatures, et al. Still lack admission or proof both have dual citizenship. Just because they can, doesn't mean they do.
Okay. Just curious, if you had evidence that they do hold dual citizenship, how would that change your opinions?
The democrats had a field day concerning Trump, Melania, Barron, and Melania's parents when he became President. Did you pay attention to it when it was going on?
It was when Trump was trying to make/change laws about people coming here on tourist or work visas and chain migration. And he had married a woman who was here on one of the visas he wanted to change. And then when she got her citizenship, she brought her parents over via chain migration. Which was something that Trump was, at the time, trying to reduce or eliminate.
So, yeah, the whole thing about Barron and Melania having dual citizenship and being the immediate family of the US President was chewed over relentlessly.
I'm surprised that you all didn't know/didn't remember any of that. It was a really, really, big deal during the first few months of Trump's presidency.
The attitudes I see here aren't limited to only those in Congress or in government positions. And the question of the loyalty of the President's wife and child is certainly as important as that of those in government positions.
So, yeah. People should really know this type of stuff when they have such strong opinions about it. And calling people with dual citizenship "enemies of America" is quite a strong opinion.
But going back to my original point, I wonder sometimes how well some people here would fare if some lib came up to them with a camera rolling and asked them these types of "gotcha" questions.
Because it is just embarrassing and cringe-worthy to watch what some idiots say on camera, who just so happen to support Trump and/or Q. And then it's made to seem like all Trump/Q supporters are that stupid.
So maybe we should at least be aware of these things. 🤷
Suppose at the time I felt the same as I do now. Seems anchor babies and chain migration has more to do with illegal entry than legal entry. Melania entered legally, so I had and still have no issue with her status.
The dual citizenship issue should be addressed for those in government whether elected, appointed, (sub)contracted, hired. I don't know any pro arguments for such. As for spouses, I suppose it depends. A dual citizenship with Ukraine is not the same as a dual citizenship with Slovenia.