The thread is about whether or not Matt Gaetz should have "gone against the 'team'" by ousting McCarthy.
Why did he want to oust McCarthy in the first place? Because McCarthy is a proven liar and backstabber.
My question to you was and is: Do you support that behavior from a member of the "team" (McCarthy)?
Gaetz did not lie, like McCarthy did.
Gaetz did not say to his own caucus he would or wouldn't do something, and then turn around and do the opposite, like McCarthy did.
I asked you if you support these dishonorable actions of McCarthy.
But you have purposely evaded answering this directly -- three times now -- so I can assume you DO in fact support such lying and backstabbing, from someone who claims to be on your "team."
You seem to be perfectly fine with a man lying directly to your face, and then doing nothing at all about it.
^ Let me add, so this discussion doesn't go on forever:
(1) IMO, Nunes started the debate at the wrong place. He started with Gaetz' action. But Gaetz only took his action due to what McCarthy did. The real debate should start with McCarthy.
(2) If the QB keeps intentionally throwing interceptions, then at some point you have to replace him. He is hurting the team, not helping. McCarthy made promises that he never intended to keep, but he made them. When he did not keep them, and was warned repeatedly, but smugly ignored the warnings. So, what is the solution? Let him keep doing more harm? More money to Ukraine, even though he said he wouldn't? More business as usual, even though he said he wouldn't?
(3) It is unfortunate that Gaetz had to get Dems to join in to oust McCarthy. Where the hell were the Reps? Only 8 Reps had the balls to do the right thing. Those gutless R's are the ones who are responsible for Gaetz getting the Dems in on it. And sure, the D's want to cause trouble. That's what they do. They have no principles or integrity. Then again, MOST of the R's, don't either.
This is not "Team R" vs. "Team D."
This is "Team Patriot" vs. "Team Establishment."
Team Patriot (MAGA) if finally winning one, for a change.
Nunes has been great on some things. He is wrong about this one.
Who says I am fine with people lying to me? I hated AOC and Demonic Rats for lying to my face and a host of other crimes (if my response above is not big enough hint to you). My wrath extends to Republicans that does the same, including McCarthy.
McCarthy is gone and I should be happy. However, the fact that Geatz has to enlist and consort with Demonic Rats to make it happen does raise questions on if he sold his soul to get their cooperation, especially the only time they rush to do something is when they are going to commit great evil. I would be lying to myself if this fact does not bother me and it kills me that everyone is worshipping the ground he steps on when we should keep an eye on him and his cohorts for future betrayal.
The fact that you assume that I am part of the enemy for going against the grain is very unbecoming for a member of a board that emphasis research and not following along with the heard. But then again, getting shouted at is part of being a devil's advocate.
My wrath extends to Republicans that does the same, including McCarthy.
In that case, what do you do with someone like McCarthy, who tells you he will do x, y, and z, as a condition of getting the speakership, and then refuses to do what he agreed to do once he has that gavel in his hand?
What would you DO?
However, the fact that Geatz has to enlist and consort with Demonic Rats to make it happen does raise questions on if he sold his soul to get their cooperation
Yes, he might have made some sort of deal with the D's. OTOH, he might have also got them to go along just because they want to stir up some shit, and he knows it. If he did make a deal, we will eventually figure out what it was, and then we can decide if it was worth it or not. Deals DO have to be made, from time to time. Trump wrote "Art of the Deal."
BUT ...
That does not change the fact that more than 100 REPUBLICANS did not have the BALLS to vote McCarthy out AFTER it was proven that McCarthy stabbed them all in the back on the budget deals.
So ... what would you DO to a speaker in that situation? Let it slide?
I would be lying to myself if this fact does not bother me and it kills me that everyone is worshipping the ground he steps on when we should keep an eye on him and his cohorts for future betrayal.
"Future betrayal?" You mean like what McCarthy has ALREADY done? Again ... what would you DO to those who betray?
You and I agree that we need to keep an eye on ALL of them, including Gaetz. I like most of what Gaetz has been doing, but I certainly do not worship him. I don't worship Trump, either. If he gets back in power, he had BETTER turn DC upside down.
If I find out that Gaetz did something dirty just because he doesn't like McCarthy, then I will revise my position. For now, I KNOW FOR A FACT that McCarthy is dirty. I do NOT know that about Gaetz, and he is doing the right thing, so I give him the benefit of the doubt -- until further notice.
The fact that you assume that I am part of the enemy for going against the grain is very unbecoming for a member of a board that emphasis research and not following along with the heard.
My response to you was precisely because I want to know WHAT YOU WOULD DO ... to a "team member" like McCarthy.
I heard Newt spout his bullshit. I did NOT hear what he would DO to a "team member" who lies and backstabs. Presumably, he would be find with it. (If he would not DO something about it, then that means he IS fine with it -- enough at least to continue letting it happen). Same goes for Nunes and many others who are defending McCarthy.
I asked YOU what YOU would DO to someone like McCarthy ... and you evaded the question.
It is a serious, and (if I do say so myself) a fair question to ask.
My answer is to boot him out, and if other R's don't have the fucking guts to do the right thing, then I would have stirred up some shit with the D's, too.
Just to make a POINT: Do not mess with MAGA!
Establishment is hereby PUT ON NOTICE.
I think this is a good thing -- even a GREAT thing -- that the establishment clown was taken down.
No.
I asked you a straight up question, and you evaded answering (twice, now).
That is dishonorable.
And you continue to try to change the subject. Which is dishonest to me.
The thread is about whether or not Matt Gaetz should have "gone against the 'team'" by ousting McCarthy.
Why did he want to oust McCarthy in the first place? Because McCarthy is a proven liar and backstabber.
My question to you was and is: Do you support that behavior from a member of the "team" (McCarthy)?
Gaetz did not lie, like McCarthy did.
Gaetz did not say to his own caucus he would or wouldn't do something, and then turn around and do the opposite, like McCarthy did.
I asked you if you support these dishonorable actions of McCarthy.
But you have purposely evaded answering this directly -- three times now -- so I can assume you DO in fact support such lying and backstabbing, from someone who claims to be on your "team."
You seem to be perfectly fine with a man lying directly to your face, and then doing nothing at all about it.
Tells me all I need to know.
^ Let me add, so this discussion doesn't go on forever:
(1) IMO, Nunes started the debate at the wrong place. He started with Gaetz' action. But Gaetz only took his action due to what McCarthy did. The real debate should start with McCarthy.
(2) If the QB keeps intentionally throwing interceptions, then at some point you have to replace him. He is hurting the team, not helping. McCarthy made promises that he never intended to keep, but he made them. When he did not keep them, and was warned repeatedly, but smugly ignored the warnings. So, what is the solution? Let him keep doing more harm? More money to Ukraine, even though he said he wouldn't? More business as usual, even though he said he wouldn't?
(3) It is unfortunate that Gaetz had to get Dems to join in to oust McCarthy. Where the hell were the Reps? Only 8 Reps had the balls to do the right thing. Those gutless R's are the ones who are responsible for Gaetz getting the Dems in on it. And sure, the D's want to cause trouble. That's what they do. They have no principles or integrity. Then again, MOST of the R's, don't either.
This is not "Team R" vs. "Team D."
This is "Team Patriot" vs. "Team Establishment."
Team Patriot (MAGA) if finally winning one, for a change.
Nunes has been great on some things. He is wrong about this one.
Who says I am fine with people lying to me? I hated AOC and Demonic Rats for lying to my face and a host of other crimes (if my response above is not big enough hint to you). My wrath extends to Republicans that does the same, including McCarthy.
McCarthy is gone and I should be happy. However, the fact that Geatz has to enlist and consort with Demonic Rats to make it happen does raise questions on if he sold his soul to get their cooperation, especially the only time they rush to do something is when they are going to commit great evil. I would be lying to myself if this fact does not bother me and it kills me that everyone is worshipping the ground he steps on when we should keep an eye on him and his cohorts for future betrayal.
The fact that you assume that I am part of the enemy for going against the grain is very unbecoming for a member of a board that emphasis research and not following along with the heard. But then again, getting shouted at is part of being a devil's advocate.
In that case, what do you do with someone like McCarthy, who tells you he will do x, y, and z, as a condition of getting the speakership, and then refuses to do what he agreed to do once he has that gavel in his hand?
What would you DO?
Yes, he might have made some sort of deal with the D's. OTOH, he might have also got them to go along just because they want to stir up some shit, and he knows it. If he did make a deal, we will eventually figure out what it was, and then we can decide if it was worth it or not. Deals DO have to be made, from time to time. Trump wrote "Art of the Deal."
BUT ...
That does not change the fact that more than 100 REPUBLICANS did not have the BALLS to vote McCarthy out AFTER it was proven that McCarthy stabbed them all in the back on the budget deals.
So ... what would you DO to a speaker in that situation? Let it slide?
"Future betrayal?" You mean like what McCarthy has ALREADY done? Again ... what would you DO to those who betray?
You and I agree that we need to keep an eye on ALL of them, including Gaetz. I like most of what Gaetz has been doing, but I certainly do not worship him. I don't worship Trump, either. If he gets back in power, he had BETTER turn DC upside down.
If I find out that Gaetz did something dirty just because he doesn't like McCarthy, then I will revise my position. For now, I KNOW FOR A FACT that McCarthy is dirty. I do NOT know that about Gaetz, and he is doing the right thing, so I give him the benefit of the doubt -- until further notice.
My response to you was precisely because I want to know WHAT YOU WOULD DO ... to a "team member" like McCarthy.
I heard Newt spout his bullshit. I did NOT hear what he would DO to a "team member" who lies and backstabs. Presumably, he would be find with it. (If he would not DO something about it, then that means he IS fine with it -- enough at least to continue letting it happen). Same goes for Nunes and many others who are defending McCarthy.
I asked YOU what YOU would DO to someone like McCarthy ... and you evaded the question.
It is a serious, and (if I do say so myself) a fair question to ask.
My answer is to boot him out, and if other R's don't have the fucking guts to do the right thing, then I would have stirred up some shit with the D's, too.
Just to make a POINT: Do not mess with MAGA!
Establishment is hereby PUT ON NOTICE.
I think this is a good thing -- even a GREAT thing -- that the establishment clown was taken down.