"Gay Jewish man who purchased children lectures me on morality? I'm good." THEY ARE GETTING EVISCERATED.
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Hmm seems like an unfair characterization if both are loving parents.
Edit: Look, downvote me all you want, I was raised in the church so I understand the concern, but I think it's silly to think modern heterosexual marriages are any more stable than modern gay relationships. We live in an imperfect world, if two men or two women think they can give an orphan a loving home and they can be properly vetted, who am I to stop them?
Because it’s an abomination to Gods institution of marriage between a man and a woman. This does nothing but confuse children and hinder their progress towards a proper relationship with Jesus Christ.
I don't disagree, however we don't seem to live in a Christian nation anymore and you've gotta argue using methods that will be accepted outside the Christian community if you want to convince anyone outside the religious bubble.
That’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works.
You can disagree all you want, but gay adoption is legal in all 50 states. Gonna take more than some Bible verses to change hearts and minds enough to get that reversed.
Results on average are poor vs average and abuse is much higher vs general pop stats
Worse than the average single mom?
yes
More likely for abuse, yes. Top tier abuse category.
Or worse than the dad that “went out for smokes” and created that single mom?
What prevents two pedophile men from posing as gay to purchase children? Do you support a single man acquiring children through adoption? Should a single man be allowed to purchase a young girl? Most people are against this because the potential for abuse is so high. Yes this discriminates against a single man whose motivations might be pure, but talk to most single (straight) men and they happily accept that (minor) amount of discrimination in order to protect children. This is also why we don’t let single men lead troops of Girl Scouts on three-day camping trips away from their parents. It’s weird. And any man righteously demanding he get to do so is suspect. If his intentions were genuinely pure, he would understand the concerns of parents and not even push for that position.
And all of this applies equally to gay men. They represent the same predatory threat.
I agree it's a risk, but we live in an imperfect world where the institution of marriage is no longer respected as a whole and the possibility of abuse exists in any family. I'm sure Dave Ruben and his husband are in a better parenting situation than a majority of heterosexual couples/single parents. Would you take that away from them simply because of your own beliefs? Gay adoption is currently legal in all 50 states. Do you think conservatives should make this our next big issue? I don't.
Yes, I would make it illegal. No, that is not the current number one issue. And no, I don’t think the risk for pedophilia is as high with heterosexual couples as it is with homosexual couples. A pedophile man is going to have a much harder time maintaining a fake heterosexual relationship with a woman to acquire children than two pedophile men would have making an agreement to rape children together.
Excellent perspective, thank you.
You forgot to mention that at least one of them is Jewish, which seems to be relevant here
I don't think that's relevant here, unless you are suggesting Dave Reuben is intentionally trying to subvert our movement or that he is a pedophile.
Sorry for the ambiguity, by "here" I meant GAW
Absolutely. I didn't want to get into a whole discussion about whether it's right for gays in general to adopt, I just like Dave Ruben and I think it's unfair to characterize his adoption of a child as "purchasing a child" as if it's something negative. I guess that's a hot take on this board lol.