I personally think some of the comments on this site can get pretty ridiculous at times, more importantly, they can utterly obliterate an otherwise important message. However, you know what is said about opinions and how they are like a particular body part (everybody’s got one, and they all stink). The thing I have seen that truly ruins credibility is when atheists/agnostics/whatever pontificate about the Bible, yet they don’t believe in it in the first place.
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I completely disagree.
For example, I grew up in church, went my entire life until a few years ago.
And I studied HARDCORE when it came to eschatology. I could literally write books. I have a very firm grasp of every position held, from the Tim Layhaye brand of pre-trib rapture, to mid and post trib rapture, to preterism, the list goes on.
After studying my entire life, and finding major faults and contradictions with most versions of eschatology, I started to study historical spiritual symbolism.
Then everything clicked into place. Suddenly, all the symbolism unlocked the spiritual truths, vs the literal insanity that is preached at the pulpit.
So, that said, I dont believe in the bible in the traditional sense. I believe it in a spiritually significant sense.
But.... because I went through the gamut of study, I fully understand the current insanity as it is attributed to the bible. And I also understand WHY it is happening this way, despite my personal beliefs. I wont get into WHY, because I dont want to offend frens here, as this is a sensitive topic.
Actually, there are TWO potential WHYS. And one is benign, and the other is not.
So, I am really hoping "Timeline A" is the actual reason why this is happening the way it is, and not "Timeline B" so to speak.
Among other things, the symbols reveal a cycle that repeats due to ignorance of the meaning behind the symbols. Updoot
Updooted
Double updooted
:)
Haha was just about to tag you. Figured you would enjoy the comment lol
DootFest !
Such is life.
Oh come on don't tease us fren 😂🤣 what's your theory. How do you see revelation playing out. Please expand on your comment
Yes please
When you know their playbook, and they want to play it out literally...
Yup, replacing the spiritual with the physical is the part Christians miss.
Babylon is not a physical city, it is a spiritual reality.
Corrrect
Could evil be trying to fullfil prophecy and really be tricking many of the Christians because they begin looking for the typical understanding of revelation(pre trib, post trib ect) and miss out on the work God is actually doing.
Ding ding ding....
Winner chicken dinner...
'Self fulfilling prophecy'
I see it in a very similar way :) It got to point where it was information overload and I asked the Lord what is the truth in all this. And what I got was something different than expected. We keep falling into these generational curses and that can change if we are willing to humble our hearts and and lean on the Lord rather than our own understanding. I’m still seeking and things are unfolding day by day. It’s been a wild ride haha.
The information overload is that everything in Revelation is based on OT Prophecy. It's not for us to speculate, but to find the connection.
And the main theme is Faithfulness through difficulty: "she that endures to the end shall be Saved."
satan doesn't want anyone hearing that, and our flesh is entirely too eager to agree with him:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QWNh1IyFdvM&pp=ygUncGV0cmEgZG9uJ3QgbGV0IHlvdXIgaGVhcnQgYmUgaGFyZGVuZWQg
I agree, it won’t be easy. But the point I am coming from is that the 1rst coming of Jesus was also OT prophecy, and everyone still got it wrong of how it actually happened. They expected a warrior, a champion, and some dug their heels in and refused to let go of their own understanding and missed what was right in front of them. There are major truths in revelation that yes, we can’t get away from. Enduring to the end is one of them. I think how it actually plays out is something the church has interpreted, I don’t want to say entirely wrong, but not complete. So that is what I meant by info overload, not the book itself but all the various interpretations and debates of what is right and wrong.
I think if we get too planted in how we think things will go, we can miss something right in front of us. Have our foundation but remember to look up too. Does that make sense? God and His infinite wisdom lol.
Also, I hope you’ve well CIAMM! Things have been pretty crazy here. The Lord has certainly been pushing us out of our comfort zone and growing us! It’s been wild haha.
This sounds interesting. Any suggestions of places where I could further explore these ideas on my own?
Thank you! Awesome input I look forward to exploring.
Bill Donahue
must have read Rev 2:9 and 3:9 who we are up against now.
Decades ago.