I personally think some of the comments on this site can get pretty ridiculous at times, more importantly, they can utterly obliterate an otherwise important message. However, you know what is said about opinions and how they are like a particular body part (everybody’s got one, and they all stink). The thing I have seen that truly ruins credibility is when atheists/agnostics/whatever pontificate about the Bible, yet they don’t believe in it in the first place.
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I completely disagree.
For example, I grew up in church, went my entire life until a few years ago.
And I studied HARDCORE when it came to eschatology. I could literally write books. I have a very firm grasp of every position held, from the Tim Layhaye brand of pre-trib rapture, to mid and post trib rapture, to preterism, the list goes on.
After studying my entire life, and finding major faults and contradictions with most versions of eschatology, I started to study historical spiritual symbolism.
Then everything clicked into place. Suddenly, all the symbolism unlocked the spiritual truths, vs the literal insanity that is preached at the pulpit.
So, that said, I dont believe in the bible in the traditional sense. I believe it in a spiritually significant sense.
But.... because I went through the gamut of study, I fully understand the current insanity as it is attributed to the bible. And I also understand WHY it is happening this way, despite my personal beliefs. I wont get into WHY, because I dont want to offend frens here, as this is a sensitive topic.
Actually, there are TWO potential WHYS. And one is benign, and the other is not.
So, I am really hoping "Timeline A" is the actual reason why this is happening the way it is, and not "Timeline B" so to speak.
Among other things, the symbols reveal a cycle that repeats due to ignorance of the meaning behind the symbols. Updoot
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Haha was just about to tag you. Figured you would enjoy the comment lol
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Such is life.
Oh come on don't tease us fren 😂🤣 what's your theory. How do you see revelation playing out. Please expand on your comment
Yes please
When you know their playbook, and they want to play it out literally...
Yup, replacing the spiritual with the physical is the part Christians miss.
Babylon is not a physical city, it is a spiritual reality.
Corrrect
Could evil be trying to fullfil prophecy and really be tricking many of the Christians because they begin looking for the typical understanding of revelation(pre trib, post trib ect) and miss out on the work God is actually doing.
Ding ding ding....
Winner chicken dinner...
'Self fulfilling prophecy'
I see it in a very similar way :) It got to point where it was information overload and I asked the Lord what is the truth in all this. And what I got was something different than expected. We keep falling into these generational curses and that can change if we are willing to humble our hearts and and lean on the Lord rather than our own understanding. I’m still seeking and things are unfolding day by day. It’s been a wild ride haha.
The information overload is that everything in Revelation is based on OT Prophecy. It's not for us to speculate, but to find the connection.
And the main theme is Faithfulness through difficulty: "she that endures to the end shall be Saved."
satan doesn't want anyone hearing that, and our flesh is entirely too eager to agree with him:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QWNh1IyFdvM&pp=ygUncGV0cmEgZG9uJ3QgbGV0IHlvdXIgaGVhcnQgYmUgaGFyZGVuZWQg
I agree, it won’t be easy. But the point I am coming from is that the 1rst coming of Jesus was also OT prophecy, and everyone still got it wrong of how it actually happened. They expected a warrior, a champion, and some dug their heels in and refused to let go of their own understanding and missed what was right in front of them. There are major truths in revelation that yes, we can’t get away from. Enduring to the end is one of them. I think how it actually plays out is something the church has interpreted, I don’t want to say entirely wrong, but not complete. So that is what I meant by info overload, not the book itself but all the various interpretations and debates of what is right and wrong.
I think if we get too planted in how we think things will go, we can miss something right in front of us. Have our foundation but remember to look up too. Does that make sense? God and His infinite wisdom lol.
Also, I hope you’ve well CIAMM! Things have been pretty crazy here. The Lord has certainly been pushing us out of our comfort zone and growing us! It’s been wild haha.
This sounds interesting. Any suggestions of places where I could further explore these ideas on my own?
Thank you! Awesome input I look forward to exploring.
Bill Donahue
must have read Rev 2:9 and 3:9 who we are up against now.
Decades ago.
Nice! Can relate!
Frens 4 eva
Can you help me out and critique my writings in this community:
https://communities.win/c/RevelationOfJesusChrist
I was raised on Tim LaHaye end of the world doctrine too.
I think the spiritual interpretation of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is very important for the body of Christ.
RE Eschatology: Raised Baptist, always pre-tribulation rapture. No longer. The BIBLE says no rapture until tribulation is complete (post trib). LaHaye writes fiction.
Read Jesus' description of the end of the world when His disciples asked Him "what will happen to us at the end?" Matthew 24. Whole chapter. Jesus explains everything. We are experiencing it now. Read slowly and carefully. When are Christians taken up? "...immediately after the tribulation of those times...."
2nd proof: Try to find the pre-trib rapture before 1830s. ANYWHERE. Charles Spurgeon, guys like that? Never heard of it.
What if I told you that 'Rapture' aka the 'resurrection of the dead in Christ' is actually spiritual/mental and not a physical zombie apocalypse..
What if I told you the Great Awakening was and will be this event?
What if I told you that the Bible equates death with being asleep and it is purely symbolic language, meaning spiritually dead, what we call 'NPCs' and 'Woke' vs. the 'Awake'
This is precisely what Paul and Jesus speak of. Because the 'Kingdom of heaven is within' and cannot be found with careful observation. And Heaven actually means Uranus, or the kingdom of uranus, which means the age of Aquarius, because Christ is symbolized the fish/pisces and he was with us until the end of the AGE (pisces) and told us to 'follow the man bearing the pitcher of water'. What if I told you Q=Aquarius... card 17 of the Tarot, ancient symbolism. "Undiscovered stars learned"
*The Day of the Lord …5For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain awake and sober. *
This verse (and so many more, especially revelation as a whole) is solely about activation of the 'Kundalini' during meditation (prayer) when the 7th chakra (the highest chakra in the physical human body) and your crown is active, youre third eye is opened (twinkling of an eye) and you become transformed, fully spiritually awakened/resurrected (vs asleep/dead) and connected to God. Event the NPC's will awaken to the truth of the evil behind the curtain.
This is also known as the Lords Day or the Day of the Lord, and that is equated with what...... GREAT DARKNESS
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 King James Version (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Which is why Jesus said this in John 3:14
14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up
I highly recommend listening to the old Bill Donahue videos on YT.
You're ignoring Scripture:
" Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." (Acts 1:11)
What you're talking about absolutely has validity, but it's important to distinguish flesh from Spirit:
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." (John 3:6)
To think that only Spirit is good and flesh is inherently bad is gnosticism, denies the Incarnation, and misses everything about Christianity. Scripture absolutely does enable us to tell what things are referring to flesh and physical reality, and which things are wholly Spiritual. Most often it's both.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb8luHdpR84&pp=ygUpaGFpciBhZ2Ugb2YgYXF1YXJpdXMgbGV0IHRoZSBzdW5zaGluZSBpbiA%3D
Watch it. Has nothing to do with what was on the radio.
You're trying to talk about theosis. Kundalini is demonic possession.
Do not be deceived.
No you don't.
Before 1800 there was no "rapture," just the Day of Judgment.
Jesus returns. There's a second coming, not a third fourth and fifth.
That IS the traditional sense.
Good grief!
You have no idea what I do and dont know. I know that the rapture teaching is modern.
The second coming was the holy spirit when 'tongues of fire rested upon their heads'...do you understand the symbolism here, or do you think that literally their heads caught on fire?
Because, Jesus himself said that the kingdom of Uranus (heaven) is WITHIN not outside in the physical realm, "So if anyone tells you,
There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or,
Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather."Highly symbolic, literally "the great awakening". But you keep believing what you want, just leave me out of it with your judgmental tone.
I think the Bible is literally true, just not physically true. Symbols and metaphors, exist, right? They're just not physical.
If I tell you to picture an elephant, you can literally see an elephant. You just don't see it in the physical world. You see it in the spiritual world.
What happens in the physical world are instantiations of true spiritual happenings.
Downvoters, would you say that if you lust after a woman, you're not literally doing so spiritually?
“But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”
Imagining an elephant is not a Spiritual endeavor. You're a little clumsy with your language there.
God's thoughts come to pass. Ours? Not so much. It's a theme in sci-fi, and usually it's pretty horrible.
Spiritual endeavors are thinking, feeling and willing. Do the images that you imagine not exist? How can you see an elephant through your imagination if the image of an elephant does not exist?
Why did Jesus equate imaginings with physical doings?
Obviously something is happening when you imagine otherwise the term would be meaningless. It's just not physical.
When you were dreaming last night, was there really a dream? If not then how can you say you dreamt?
Disagreed. The realm of the Spirit is MUCH more than just that! "Heaven is above earth."
Imagination is an important aspect of our being.
Updoot!