Once heard this definition. An apostle is one who brings new light to his generation. It may be old light but is new to their generation. From context it seems to fit. So yes there are some apostles still. It says God gave some apostles
prophets, pastors, evangelist, and teachers, for the perfecting of rhe saints and the building up if rhe body of Christ. These are called the gift ministries because the lives of those operating these ministries is A gift to the body of believers. God does this. You can not go to a seminary and receive these gifts. Those ordinations are secular and may or may not be from God.
I thought an apostle means 'one who is sent' and the christian context sent to establish a new God worshipping community, sadly it seems to have become one to wishes to exercise power/control over others in that community.
BTW the Psalm which Paul uses to support his Ephesians 4 list, is Psalm 68 BUT Paul misquotes the psalm which says that men gave gifts to Christ as He ascended NOT Christ gave gifts to men as Paul misuses the scripture.
I dont dispute that God or rather the Holy Spirit per Corinthians gives the gifts as He see fit but Ephesians is in conflict with both the Psalms and Pauls own arguments in Corinthians.
Paul - anything else would mean we have no idea how true the Bible is. I checked the LXX and it translates the Psalm as the standard Bible. Don't forget Paul also said don't worry if food sacrificed to idols just pray over it - Revelation 2:20 (NKJV) Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.
I don't think there are any such verses, Juls. These are my answers though:
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Once heard this definition. An apostle is one who brings new light to his generation. It may be old light but is new to their generation. From context it seems to fit. So yes there are some apostles still. It says God gave some apostles prophets, pastors, evangelist, and teachers, for the perfecting of rhe saints and the building up if rhe body of Christ. These are called the gift ministries because the lives of those operating these ministries is A gift to the body of believers. God does this. You can not go to a seminary and receive these gifts. Those ordinations are secular and may or may not be from God.
I thought an apostle means 'one who is sent' and the christian context sent to establish a new God worshipping community, sadly it seems to have become one to wishes to exercise power/control over others in that community.
BTW the Psalm which Paul uses to support his Ephesians 4 list, is Psalm 68 BUT Paul misquotes the psalm which says that men gave gifts to Christ as He ascended NOT Christ gave gifts to men as Paul misuses the scripture.
I dont dispute that God or rather the Holy Spirit per Corinthians gives the gifts as He see fit but Ephesians is in conflict with both the Psalms and Pauls own arguments in Corinthians.
Do you think it's Paul or the way things were translated through time?
Paul - anything else would mean we have no idea how true the Bible is. I checked the LXX and it translates the Psalm as the standard Bible. Don't forget Paul also said don't worry if food sacrificed to idols just pray over it - Revelation 2:20 (NKJV) Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.