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By Stefanie Ladner, The Western Journal
Your car is smarter than you think.
And it is not a violation of privacy for your car to automatically store text and call data from your cell phone, following a ruling from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit.
Modern convenience often comes with a price of sacrificed privacy, but in this case, the plaintiffs claimed they were unaware of what they were signing away when they connected their smartphones to their cars.
A class-action lawsuit brought against the car manufacturers Ford, General Motors, Honda, Toyota and Volkswagen asserted that under the Washington State Privacy Act, drivers’ privacy had been violated due to the fact that “the vehicle’s system downloads all text messages and call logs from Plaintiffs’ cellphones as soon as they are connected.”
“If text messages or call logs are deleted from a cellphone, the vehicle nevertheless retains the communications on the vehicle’s on-board memory, even after the cellphone is disconnected. Vehicle owners cannot access or delete their personal information once it has been stored,” the court said of the plaintiffs’ complaint.
In its defense, Ford argued that drivers of their vehicles had given “implied consent” for the storage of personal data, adding that it provides for a “factory reset” procedure on its website to wipe the memory board of all stored data.
Ford was also able to prove that it did not have access to, nor could it store, any text or call data from customers’ vehicles.
The privacy concern from the plaintiffs, therefore, came down to the risk of the third-party data retrieval company, Berla.
Berla produces hardware and software, marketed to law enforcement clients, that can extract stored phone data from connected vehicles.
On its own website, Berla claimed that by using its data retrieval products, “having access to a suspect’s connected vehicle is the next best thing behind having the actual phone itself.”
The 9th Circuit found in favor of Ford, and subsequently the other car manufacturers, because the plaintiffs had failed to prove an actual injury for the alleged breach of privacy — which is required under law to receive damages.
While Berla’s products might provide a whole new avenue of evidence collection by law enforcement, police must still go through the due process procedures of receiving a court order to obtain such data.
Despite the lawsuit finding in favor of the car manufacturers, consumer advocates are still very concerned with a wide array of privacy pitfalls with vehicle technology.
A September report by Mozilla News’ *Privacy Not Included team called modern cars the “worst product category we have ever reviewed for privacy.”
The team researched 25 car brands and concluded, “Every car brand we looked at collects more personal data than necessary and uses that information for a reason other than to operate your vehicle and manage their relationship with you.
“They can collect super intimate information about you — from your medical information, your genetic information, to your ‘sex life’ (seriously), to how fast you drive, where you drive, and what songs you play in your car — in huge quantities. They then use it to invent more data about you through ‘inferences’ about things like your intelligence, abilities, and interests.”
Even more alarming, they discovered that 84 percent of the car brands they reviewed share or sell that data, according to the report.
This article appeared originally on The Western Journal.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/car-stores-text-messages-law-enforcement-can-retrieve/
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I don't connect my phone to my car.
New cars suck and they're ugly too.
I think the point to remember here is, don't forget to factory reset your car before you sell it.
You mean wipe it with a cloth
I don't text, never have and never plan on it. Also, the car I have isn't one of those with whistles and bells and the like, so I should be safe.
Same here. Anyone that wants to talk to me has to call. I've always thought texting was about the dumbest thing ever. Why type on a phone when you can simply call and talk. If someone is doing something or in a place where they can't talk they dang sure shouldn't be typing on a phone screen.
Amen. Great minds 'THINK' alike.
Being serious here: adults that grew up with computers/the internet/cellphones think that calling someone is a massive red flag. They say it signifies that their time, and their lives, tasks, projects, etc. are more important than yours. A caller is INTERRUPTING you, and how dare they. They think that a person calling you is basically slapping you in the face and spitting on you. It’s a flex of superiority, and a signal that you’re inferior and do not matter. Again, this is real. Not joking.
Then why do they even have phones? Why not just texting or emailing devices. But honestly, that's their problem and it's one they created for themselves. I don't have time for idiots so it suits me.
The only way they can steal data from me is on the internet. But mostly I am on here, Gab and I play Escape Games. That is about the extent of it.
What are escape games? Besides golf, I'm bored to death with all of the games that require critical thinking. Maybe I should try one of these. Golf isn't so much critical thinking, it's just friggin hard to master.
It is you figuring out how to escape whatever it is the game is looking for. It is fun and sometimes very hard. Simply type in Escape games and try a few. You will figure out the rest. My husband plays golf online on occasion. You may have played with him. His name is George.
I'm gonna check a few out. I can play others online with my golf simulator, I'm not good enough, so I don't. On the course, almost everyone sucks, so I can hold my own there. When I do get paired up with a great golfer, it is fun as hell to watch. The great golfer feels the same way too, but for them it is fun(ny) as hell to watch.
There are different kind of games. Wow games, 365 games, 8B games and such. I go to Escape Fan where there is an assortment of certain types of games. I think you will like them.
Omg. I downloaded one last night. My brain is pissed at me this morning. Just what I needed. Thanks. I'm still stuck in a room btw.
From the article,
"The vehicle’s system downloads all text messages and call logs from Plaintiffs’ cellphones as soon as they are connected.”
"Vehicle owners cannot access or delete their personal information once it has been stored,” the court said of the plaintiffs’ complaint."
"Even more alarming, they discovered that 84 percent of the car brands they reviewed share or sell that data, according to the report."
I guarantee you my car isn't storing anything. Unless they hit record on the tape deck.
I’m going to drive my “dumb” truck until the wheels fall off.
What is meant by a "connected Vehicle."
I wonder what Apple Car Play does?
never met a car firmware that i didn't hate. if i have a phone, all my car needs is an auxiliary audio port
I see an opportunity for some young entrepreneur who has learned to code. Just need a hardware guy and a marketeer and he'll have himself a par-tee!
Will never own a car like that if I can help it. This is the next step in let’s call it live billing. Drive too fast, insurance goes up instantly. Text a meme of Biden, car “breaks down”
I just got rid of my flip phone. Twenty years back, when cell phones started to appear at $1000 and 25 cents per minute, the mark of the beast could be seen on the horizon.
You can reset your car computer and it erases it all. My buddy who does forensics warned me. Not that my emails or text are ever worth taking.
K, disconnecting from my truck. Not worth me worrying about this shit
What conceivable justification could there be for such a "feature?" Is it valuable to the car owner in any way?