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The amount of people who believe in clones - in a very sci-fi 'hot swappable' way - on GAW is really starting to get me down. I come here, I look around at the top comments of posts (like the one about Fetterman today), and wonder if this is the place for me anymore. Any other pedes feeling the same, or will I just be downvoted into oblivion?
Edit: I think I'm missing the ability to debate an idea back and forth. It seems like a good way to get 'a vacation' or downvoted, or whatever. Where do other folks go to really dig into a topic with others?
I'm not really into the whole clone thing, but I don't discount anything anymore. That said, I usually just skim that stuff, and never bother to engage or form a real opinion on it. There's too much stuff for me, so I just let it slide.
If it's troubling you, do the same. It takes all kinds.
This is an interesting topic to me. So let me see what I can come up with. I’ll get back to you when I have some facts.
Here are a couple of links regarding cloning to get you started…
Animal cloning
1958 https://frontlinegenomics.com/evolution-of-cloning-a-dolly-good-show/#:~:text=In%201958%2C%20British%20biologist%20John,using%20somatic%20cell%20nuclear%20transfer.
1996 https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/first-successful-cloning-of-a-mammal#
Human cloning 1998
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_cloning#:~:text=The%20first%20hybrid%20human%20clone,and%20developed%20into%20an%20embryo.
These aren’t the best sources, but it’s a start. I remember at one time, watching a YouTube video of somebody from a three letter agency, that no longer worked for that agency. They were discussing human cloning, and that they’ve been doing it for years. He seemed like a pretty legit guy. But it’s gonna take me a while to find this video if it even exist anymore.
Here’s my thought on cloning. Yes I think the technology exists. I think there’s all kinds of technology that exist that the government knows about, that they keep hidden from us. Yes, I believe a human can be cloned! I think they can do a lot more than that.
Even Alex Jones talks about chimera, and how they’ve been dabbling with modifying DNA to create cross species. I’ve seen some pretty disgusting videos of two different types of animals - that they cross bread. It’s pretty horrifying.
Why do I believe they are cloning humans? Because the deep state, Kazarian mafia, the illuminati… Whatever you want to call them - they hate us! Because were made in HIS image! They can’t stand that they cannot create. So yes, I think they spend endless amount of time, money, and effort on cloning. and creating humans. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re growing babies in fake wombs somewhere on this planet. Guaranteed!
The first question to ask is - how far they gotten? I’m going to assume they’ve gotten pretty far down the line with this type of discovery in scientific research. I think many of the people who disappear, are used for these experiments, or their body parts are used for this type of scientific methodology and research.
The next question is… Can they actually clone a Joe Biden? Well, I really don’t have any answer for that. But most of us are pretty sure - the Joe Biden that we see today, isn’t the Joe Biden from days gone by. Like you mentioned in another comment, they’re pretty good at masks, and hiring actors, etc…. But there’s definitely some body double doing his job right now. I think we can at least agree on that.
I know this is a long reply, but this is such an interesting topic to me. I would not put it past any of these gouls - that they have the ability to, and can very well clone people. I just don’t know how advanced, or how viable the clones are. But we know these people want to be immortal, they want to be the creator, and they would do anything to have immortality. Some have said that the clones, are just physical bodies, but you can transfer some type of mind and thought from the original to the new body. That’s all hypothesis, and granger - I’m assuming.
My mom and I were discussing why some of these bad actors have not been assassinated. I joked with her about it… Perhaps somebody ‘has’ killed Anthony Fauci, they assassinated him, and then he ends up on TV the next day. The person would be like what the hell happened? Well, they just had a clone ready, in the event he was murdered. A Back up plan.
How discouraging would that be? 😂🤣. Someone finally gets brave enough to assassinate one of these walking demons, and they just come back the next day with a new one. 😂😂. I know that’s pretty far fetched, but I thought it was a funny idea and I come up with all kinds of them. I can get really out there. But I would never claim that what I believe is fact.
Not sure why you’re disappointed that people are throwing around ideas here, because that’s the whole point of this forum. If you’re trying to send a normie here, of course, they’re going to diss you! Please don’t be naïve.
If we can’t have discourse, discussion, and rigorous debates about every topic under the sun, then what are we even doing here? This is the last bastion. This is one of the last places on the Internet of freethinkers. To come here and say… I don’t like it when people talk about clones, it’s kind of foolishness. Open your mind, like bubble said - it’s tact and delivery. If you really want discussion, then just ask a question. Someone like me will show up with a five paragraph reply. Guaranteed… Every time!!!
Someone will engage!
I hope this is a dialogue that you were searching for. If I ever find that video, I’ll let you know, but at least we know they’ve been cloning since the 90s and that was a long time ago. A lot has changed since then. I mean we literally carry around a communication device, a computer, our bank, our social media, our music, and our photos - in our pockets.
Just imagine what they’ve done with cloning since 1998? The possibilities are endless. These people are evil, and their only desire is to become immortal, so they don’t have to suffer the consequences of their sins.
Facts: there is One Creator - God Wins!
”In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.“ Genesis 1:1
”In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.“ John 1:1
God bless you and have a great night!
Dude. DUDE. Thanks for much for engaging. I means a lot. This is a big topic and I've tried a few times to pare down my thoughts. I really do want to hear from others too.
First, I think defining 'cloning' as used colloquially on GAW and other sites is important. I agree that cloning, as a scientific concept, is real. I was a freshman in High School the year they cloned Dolly. It was big news. That instance of cloning, creating a fertilized egg with identical DNA from an individual organism, was a breakthrough for how we understand an manipulate DNA.
We can clone a sheep, gestate them in utero as normal, and watch them progress naturally. We also have gene-editing capabilities like CRISPR and it's cousins that have been born out of that research.
However, when it comes to suggesting we can swap in a clone for Biden or Fetterman the theory becomes VERY complex and IMO takes a hard right turn into sci-fi. For this type of cloning to be plausible, it would require not just creating an identical body but also replicating the consciousness and personality of the individual.
This is where the theory encounters significant scientific hurdles. Now I will note, the hurdles I describe below are starting with known science. If someone's answer to this is 'The DS has a 3D printer for humans' or something like that, I'm not sure how much farther a conversation can be taken on the topic:
Body Creation: We would either need the ability to clone a human and accelerate the body's growth to match the age of the original person pretty quickly. Or, maintain a 'warehouse' of clones created, gestated, and born and allowed to 'age naturally' or even in a slightly accelerated manner.
The Brain: Brains, to make the understatement of the year, are tricky things. Brain structure is derived in large part from stimuli. If you were to grow a human in a vat, it would have a severely underdeveloped brain. It doesn't need to think, so those parts of the brain responsible for achieving that would be underdeveloped. It doesn't move, it might not even be breathing for itself, so motor function area wouldn't form the way a normal human's would. So now we need a process to fix this.
The Conscious: So even if you were to have a brain develop in a similar way as a 50 year old man, how do you map a conscious onto it? How do you make it 'a person' as we know it. How do you flip the switch on this bag of meet and it walks around and talks like Joe Biden?
Also, I re-posted this on the daily chat for today if you wanted to put your reply there. You may get some other interaction which would be fantastic.
Great response… so you do understand the basics of cloning, and that it does exist. So we can agree on that.
But… to what extent. Bring up a lot of good points. How do you make a clone and then have an age? How do you make a clone and then transfer somebody’s consciousness into it? Both of those seem very far fetched, however, we just don’t know. I think we can agree on that as well.
However; we’re only basing it on knowledge that we have. Which is probably limited compared to the evil deep state - who been up to their armpit and alligators in research and developing these types of people. Don’t forget… They keep a stupid for a reason. They want us dumb down, I mean our education system right now proves it. This is what is so fantastic about this forum in particular. It’s full of people who want to think, freethinkers with thoughts and ideas. They hate that about us. 😂🤣
So good question… How do they make an identical clone if someone? How do they make an identical, clone, that’s at the exact age that it needs to be? I don’t know. Yes, I’ll admit it I don’t know.
In my mind, like I said, before… With all the time and money and effort that they put into this research, I think we would be surprised in horrified, but they’re capable of doing with cloning.
Also, we already know there’s some type of a brain chip that they can put into your brain, to repair and heal your body with it. That’s what Elon musk is working on, and some other people. I could see this being some type of way they could transfer your consciousness, download your thoughts, and put them on some type of a hard drive. I know that sounds pretty out there, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they were close to being able to do something like that.
That being said… Is Joe Biden a clone? I doubt it. Is John Fetterman a clone? I doubt it. I will stay the new John Fetterman is much better than the old John Fetterman. He was a wild card. 😂🤣
But I have seen lots of videos of people wearing lifelike masks, and appearing to be somebody else completely. This has been shown and proven, and they have done it in the CIA and Hollywood movies. So I do believe without a doubt, that somebody is standing in for the old Joe Biden. Don’t know who it is, or how they’re making it all happen… But it’s not him.
I don’t think we will ever know the truth about cloning, or how far they’ve gone with this madness. Something this evil and powerful, they will do everything they can to keep private. Unless you’re a billionaire. Who is part of the pedophile club, even super rich people won’t know about this.
Also, regarding Taylor Swift. I think it’s easier for people to believe that she’s a clone, than to believe that she would literally sell her soul to Satan via MKULTRA programming - and have a diabolical scheme to brainwash the masses into thinking they’re coming to a concert, when they’re actually attending a satanic ritual. People love their idols so much, they can never believe that they would be that evil and diabolical. It’s really hard to break the brainwashing of the idle worshiping of Hollywood and music and sports entertainers.
Thanks for getting back to me.
We live in times where nothing we see in front of us makes sense, and people start digging into what might be happening behind the scenes. Thats the whole point of Q and Anons.
By definition, this process is not objective. Each person will come up with their own theories which explains best what they see and experience in this illusion of a world.
So why does it bother you what theories others come up with? Why does it bring you down?
If your goal is to debate an idea back and forth, does it help if you start off attacking the ideas you dont agree with? Or does it help if you start an open discussion.
Why not make a comment, something like "Hey, I find it incredibly hard to believe in clones/masks etc. I know a lot of people here believe in it. Can you share some of your ideas? How do you reconcile it with XYZ that just doesnt seem to make sense to me?"
If you did that, I assure you, you will get the debate you want.
Well I typed this out and then lost it I guess. First, thanks for the great questions.
I don't for the most part see folks digging like they used to. Yes there are some top quality threads that are dropped by folks doing real research, but I see a lot of razors being thrown around mostly: everyone's already been gitmo'd, they're a clone, everything is a false flag, 'it's a movie', etc. etc.
It find it incredibly detrimental in that it irrecoverably muddies the waters. It makes it hard to talk to my peers. If I send them a great thread from GAW, they'll usually peruse and find some other crackpot threads and discount the whole thing.
I will try to insert my thoughts and open questions for debate as you suggest. I think I've been slacking on my end there, but I think a lot of folks have closed minds and presuppositions that have been sussed out to such a degree, that to change a mind, say about clones, it would require an entire Jenga-blocked tower of their Worldview to be removed - a lot of mental sunken cost.
Edit: and then I'll check the mod logs like now: "20 minutes ago A moderator added note to lithopedion -" and think, 'well fuck... I should probably pipe down so I don't lose my privileges for a while'.
Considering you have posted all of 2 posts in your 2 years here, you can start by setting an example.
GAW is not for everyone. You dont just send links to GAW to any person and expect they get the same out of this site as you do. There needs to be a certain understanding of the Q to be able to get value out of GAW.
Your job is to understand what you find here, and translate it to your peers at the level they will be able to accept. Some might be able to accept a GAW link. Some might require a gateway pundit link and some others, perhaps an MSM link (just as example). Or you could simply explain the point you are making based on the current events, without having to offload the explanation to someone else.
I find the last option the most effective.
Just because your peers came and didn't like what they saw here, does not mean we have to change what is discussed here.
I'm not asking anyone to change what is discussed. I don't think you can interpret that from what I was saying. This seems to be getting adversarial, so I'm just gonna step back from it.
I could buy doubles/masks for very short appearances, fake proof-of-life, etc. Not 'we're going to put you in the place of this other high-profile person for the next X years. You'll give interviews, you'll sign legislation, etc. etc. etc.'
And yeah the type of clones people just throw up as 100% their first and final answer is not something we will see in a few lifetimes. I'd love to debate someone who believes this (in a good faith, kind, debate)