All Abrahamic religions will be reformed and potentially replaced entirely with a less politically dogmatic control structure. The people must demand it though.
Slechta, I appreciate your question and dialog with OP. So often you ask the right questions!
I have a few thoughts on the topic, which I thought I might share (even though it is a side topic and not really a core theme of the post).
Part of the OPs statement here resonates with me. Here's why:
Ultimately, everything is about relationship. The fall of Adam and Eve occurred when they established an unprincipled relationship with the Archangel, handing God's sovereignty over them to him, they became bound by that relationship.
Ever since, the Father's work has been to restore our relationship (as descendants of A&E) with him. He has done so in progressive stages. All the key figures of the Bible are persons he called and anointed to fulfill some aspects of either a) rebuilding the relationship with Him and/or b) cutting of the relationship with the false father, Satan.
What is the original meaning of religion? From the Latin religare, to bind. From God's perspective, the purpose of religion is to create a process to re-connect humanity to him. Of course, Satan has constantly sought to undermine that objective, by infiltrating and corrupting, BUT those corruptions are caused by the Devil, and do not negate God's original purpose for religion.
As I wrote, all of the key figures recorded in scripture are there because they had a mission or purpose in God's eyes to rebuild the relationship between God and his children, or cut off the relationship with the devil. Along the way, many mistakes and failures were made. For example, how many times did God have to redirect the Israelites, call them back, have them repent and inspire reformation? So many times.
How is the relationship with the devil been perpetuated? It is manifest in the relationships we share among ourselves. Conflict between brothers (e.g. Cain - Abel) is a direct expression of their connection to Satan, whereas unity among brothers (Jacob - Esau) manifests their connection to the Father. While we begin the process of reconnecting through reconnecting with God, that process is not complete until we unite among ourselves as his children.
In my view, the 'Abrahamic religions' emerged under God's providence to advance the cause of separating from evil and reconnecting (via relationship) to God. Judaism, aka the faith of Israel, was rooted in the relationship that God was able to establish with Abraham. Yet, Abraham was not perfect. He made mistakes. At some point, there was a breakdown in the relationships within his household, and he ejected Hagar and his own son into the wilderness.
We can easily surmise from scripture that there was a severe relationship breakdown between Sarah and Hagar, and this led ultimately to a breakdown of relationships between their descendants, between the Hebrews and the Arabs. At some point, these breakdowns need to be reversed and resolved, on all different levels, individually, but also on the family level, the tribal level, the ethnic group level, etc.
In addition to the breakdown that occurred in Abraham’s family, the descendants of Abraham suffered another fundamental disconnect from their brothers when they rejected Jesus. Those who received Jesus became the new Israel (parable of the vineyard) but those who rejected Jesus remained in the old level of connection with God. Thus, on the faith level, a breakdown in relationships occurred between Israel (as a people) and Christianity (as a new people). Whereas Judaism (by which I mean the faith of Israel on the basis of Mosaic law) made important strides in separating from Satanic culture and reconnecting with the one True God, the main purpose of their faith was to prepare for a higher level of re-connect, which was to come through Jesus, as the prophets foretold time and time again. Jesus is the one who showed us that God is not just the true master, he is our Father, but the Israelites as a whole failed to embrace the higher level of reconnection.
My own thought is that Islam arose in the middle east well after Jesus because of this breakdown between Israel and Christianity. If Israel had united with Jesus, allowing the entire mosaic foundation to be elevated to the Christian level, then that foundation would have allowed Christianity to blossom in a middle eastern context, allowing that foundation to absorb and resolve the separation / disconnect from Ismael's descendants that began in Abraham’s family.
But because Israel abandoned Jesus, the central foundation of Christianity moved west towards Rome, and then Europe, instead of remaining rooted in Israel. God has worked through Western Christianity to spread the Word of Christ throughout the world.
All the three faiths all have the same root: God's work to reconnect humanity to him, and ultimately, all three faiths have the same purpose, to lay a foundation to receive Christ at the second coming. Indeed, this needs to be the primary focus of Christian faith; to keep the relationship with Jesus burning so that when he returns, we are ready and able to rise to the completion of the reconnection process.
My own faith is that it is only through the second coming that the breakdown in relationships will be truly healed. Jesus is returning not to repeat the level of reconnect he accomplished via the Cross, wherein we receive spiritual salvation. He returns to complete the process, in flesh AS IN the spirit, so that not only our souls are restored to God, but that our bodies, and the body of the whole world, are also restored out from Satan’s claim.
But to my mind, there is a key point here not to be overlooked. The purpose of religion, from God's perspective, is to re-connect, to re-join, re-bind. This is done via relationship. Today, more than any time in history, all of humanity has the freedom to connect directly with Christ in heart. Christ’s message has reached the ends of the earth. Ultimately, it is love that will-rebind the peoples of the different Abraham faiths, because where true love is present, there Christ is present.
But religion is NOT the goal. The goal is to re-acquire a living, breathing relationship with God. So, as we get closer to the goal, the importance of religion will fade away, and the power of the relationship will increase. When our religious practice reflects the relationship we have with God, then it blossoms. But when religious practice takes precedence OVER our relationship with God (eg. when dogma becomes more important than truth, when ritual becomes more important than the heart), that is where it breaks down, and opens the door for Satan to infiltrate.
Based on the above, I can see a time when the Abrahamic faiths will be far less rigid in their separate practices, and by focusing on relationship, they will learn to embrace each other in love, recognizing their common kinship, thus healing the wounds caused by all the breakdowns in relationship that have occurred in our common history.
From this perspective, Christians should lead the way, because ultimately, it is Christ who heals, and Christ who re-joins us to God. (Well, actually, ALL people of any faith should strive to lead the way, but Christians have more potential to lead the way, because of Christ.) But we can only do this when we realize and strive to make it our daily practice that the relationship with Jesus that we experience takes precedence over other elements of 'religious practice', and when we love others above and beyond religious perspectives. Christ’s love should guide and direct the process.
As believers, we open up the way for him, to not only work in our own lives, but also in our relationships with others, and through those relationships, to work more directly in others’ lives. So, for us as individuals, but also the same for us as a collective. Who or what can heal the broken heart of humanity, and pioneer the healing of all the billions of hurts and pains experienced by relationship breakdown between individuals, between families, between communities and ethnic groups, between nations of peoples, over our history?
Only the love of Christ, and for this reason, ultimately, the purpose of ALL religions is to pave a stepping stone to a connection with Christ. Many faithful see other non-Christian faiths as evil, as satanic. While actual satanic religions exist, in my view, God made the other major religions available to people because they were not ready to connect to Christ, for geographical or cultural or historical reasons. (Note: many of the world’s key faiths were all founded BEFORE the arrival of Jesus.) The purpose of those religions? To build stepping stones for people to disconnect from evil and build a bridge to goodness, aka to lay a foundation for connecting with Christ at a future point.
If we Christians were able to love the world with the full heart of Jesus, oh, how quickly the good and righteous people would recognize the essence of Christ in their own cultures, and how quickly would they come running to him, bringing their own unique perspectives to unique relationships with him.... Only through love will the family of God be reunited on the earth. Not dogma, not religious teaching, not even through religious practice. Christ is the Word of God embodied, and that word is True Love.
Wow fren I really enjoyed reading this. As always you have a way with words.
Yes the reason I ask that question(who is Jesus to you) is because it often brings out where they feel Christians fall short...or it brings out the area they feel led to grow in Christ in.
I do agree often time Christians push away people and get far to rigid. I was just talking to my pastor about this. Other faiths and beliefs can have some truth in them yet those truths are just like floating in the air. Not grounded in the firm way they need to be grounded. Christians rather then admit this..will often times just completely reject it. Love allows us to see past this and kinda walk the person to a certain understanding through the leading of the holy spirit. Christians often creat scripts in there head and then when those don't work, they simply write the person off and say well they just don't wanna believe. I agree with alot of what you said fren. I try to engage in each dialogue I take place in by...asking Jesus what he wants me to share AND asking Jesus what he wants me to grow from them. I find each time there is something. It takes a humble heart though and we can constantly grow in that way. It also takes seeking to understand why and what exactly the person believes. Jesus is truth and all truth belongs to him. Wether the person admits this or not doesn't make it any less true. We must often walk with the person rather then strong arm them to our understanding.
Appreciate the detailed response fren. Love you. Thanks for the positive words fren :) ❤️🫂
No spoiler alert ,on future post. I’m an ex-Christian that had almost a 20 year journey of awakening on organized religion starting in 2001 post 9/11. I studied both the Protestant (majority) and Catholic bibles for a deeper meaning and connection, and the more I read/study the worse it got as far as finding a reason to stay in - now no organized religion but believe in the existence oh GODS - who? No spoiler alert too.
It's amazing that people cannot seperate "organized religion" and a personal relationship with Jesus. Or just maybe they want us not to be able to see the difference.
Jesus himself did not like religion when that religion was used to hurt others.
Religion is mans plan to put God into a box
Jesus is God's plan to set people free.
I was thinking this reads like a group jockeying for position to take control in the chaos that's coming up. There seem to be many genius alters under the monarch project, who are worse than Machiavellian in their strategies, having had goodness drummed out of them, and this whole screed sounds like something that works come from that. Never heard any precise or correct predictions from this character. I'll happily stick with a openly Jesus-loving prophet who correctly predicted Trump years before the escalator, who doubted his own words but obeyed and said them anyway.
Do you know that the ascension of “Jesus” as described by Mark was “added” around the second century, and that both Matthew and Luke copied a lot of their materials from Mark including the ascension?
FYI : just in case you were not aware of it, its the very last part of Mark.🧘♂️🧘🧘♀️
“Ironically, “The Book” is not just one book. It is a library of books, put together in one volume.”
pg 21, How to read your Bible; St. Joseph edition The New American Bible. Copyright 1992,1987,1980,1970 by Catholic Book Publishing Corp., New York, N.Y. Printed in Korea
Who are the authors of the books of the Bible?
“THE AUTHORS OF THESE BOOKS ARE MOSTLY UNKNOWN.”
pg 21, How to read your Bible; St. Joseph edition The New American Bible. Copyright 1992,1987,1980,1970 by Catholic Book Publishing Corp., New York, N.Y. Printed in Korea
Every “book” on the Vatican link has an INT, an introduction describing the contents, outline, authorship, dates of publication, etc. It also has a word glossary/index.
Examples:
Matthew: “The unknown author, whom we shall continue to call Matthew for the sake of convenience,” “The post - A.D. 70 date is confirmed”
What do you think this means.
Also who Is Jesus Christ to you
Slechta, I appreciate your question and dialog with OP. So often you ask the right questions!
I have a few thoughts on the topic, which I thought I might share (even though it is a side topic and not really a core theme of the post).
Part of the OPs statement here resonates with me. Here's why:
Ultimately, everything is about relationship. The fall of Adam and Eve occurred when they established an unprincipled relationship with the Archangel, handing God's sovereignty over them to him, they became bound by that relationship.
Ever since, the Father's work has been to restore our relationship (as descendants of A&E) with him. He has done so in progressive stages. All the key figures of the Bible are persons he called and anointed to fulfill some aspects of either a) rebuilding the relationship with Him and/or b) cutting of the relationship with the false father, Satan.
What is the original meaning of religion? From the Latin religare, to bind. From God's perspective, the purpose of religion is to create a process to re-connect humanity to him. Of course, Satan has constantly sought to undermine that objective, by infiltrating and corrupting, BUT those corruptions are caused by the Devil, and do not negate God's original purpose for religion.
As I wrote, all of the key figures recorded in scripture are there because they had a mission or purpose in God's eyes to rebuild the relationship between God and his children, or cut off the relationship with the devil. Along the way, many mistakes and failures were made. For example, how many times did God have to redirect the Israelites, call them back, have them repent and inspire reformation? So many times.
How is the relationship with the devil been perpetuated? It is manifest in the relationships we share among ourselves. Conflict between brothers (e.g. Cain - Abel) is a direct expression of their connection to Satan, whereas unity among brothers (Jacob - Esau) manifests their connection to the Father. While we begin the process of reconnecting through reconnecting with God, that process is not complete until we unite among ourselves as his children.
In my view, the 'Abrahamic religions' emerged under God's providence to advance the cause of separating from evil and reconnecting (via relationship) to God. Judaism, aka the faith of Israel, was rooted in the relationship that God was able to establish with Abraham. Yet, Abraham was not perfect. He made mistakes. At some point, there was a breakdown in the relationships within his household, and he ejected Hagar and his own son into the wilderness.
We can easily surmise from scripture that there was a severe relationship breakdown between Sarah and Hagar, and this led ultimately to a breakdown of relationships between their descendants, between the Hebrews and the Arabs. At some point, these breakdowns need to be reversed and resolved, on all different levels, individually, but also on the family level, the tribal level, the ethnic group level, etc.
In addition to the breakdown that occurred in Abraham’s family, the descendants of Abraham suffered another fundamental disconnect from their brothers when they rejected Jesus. Those who received Jesus became the new Israel (parable of the vineyard) but those who rejected Jesus remained in the old level of connection with God. Thus, on the faith level, a breakdown in relationships occurred between Israel (as a people) and Christianity (as a new people). Whereas Judaism (by which I mean the faith of Israel on the basis of Mosaic law) made important strides in separating from Satanic culture and reconnecting with the one True God, the main purpose of their faith was to prepare for a higher level of re-connect, which was to come through Jesus, as the prophets foretold time and time again. Jesus is the one who showed us that God is not just the true master, he is our Father, but the Israelites as a whole failed to embrace the higher level of reconnection.
My own thought is that Islam arose in the middle east well after Jesus because of this breakdown between Israel and Christianity. If Israel had united with Jesus, allowing the entire mosaic foundation to be elevated to the Christian level, then that foundation would have allowed Christianity to blossom in a middle eastern context, allowing that foundation to absorb and resolve the separation / disconnect from Ismael's descendants that began in Abraham’s family.
But because Israel abandoned Jesus, the central foundation of Christianity moved west towards Rome, and then Europe, instead of remaining rooted in Israel. God has worked through Western Christianity to spread the Word of Christ throughout the world.
All the three faiths all have the same root: God's work to reconnect humanity to him, and ultimately, all three faiths have the same purpose, to lay a foundation to receive Christ at the second coming. Indeed, this needs to be the primary focus of Christian faith; to keep the relationship with Jesus burning so that when he returns, we are ready and able to rise to the completion of the reconnection process.
My own faith is that it is only through the second coming that the breakdown in relationships will be truly healed. Jesus is returning not to repeat the level of reconnect he accomplished via the Cross, wherein we receive spiritual salvation. He returns to complete the process, in flesh AS IN the spirit, so that not only our souls are restored to God, but that our bodies, and the body of the whole world, are also restored out from Satan’s claim.
But to my mind, there is a key point here not to be overlooked. The purpose of religion, from God's perspective, is to re-connect, to re-join, re-bind. This is done via relationship. Today, more than any time in history, all of humanity has the freedom to connect directly with Christ in heart. Christ’s message has reached the ends of the earth. Ultimately, it is love that will-rebind the peoples of the different Abraham faiths, because where true love is present, there Christ is present.
But religion is NOT the goal. The goal is to re-acquire a living, breathing relationship with God. So, as we get closer to the goal, the importance of religion will fade away, and the power of the relationship will increase. When our religious practice reflects the relationship we have with God, then it blossoms. But when religious practice takes precedence OVER our relationship with God (eg. when dogma becomes more important than truth, when ritual becomes more important than the heart), that is where it breaks down, and opens the door for Satan to infiltrate.
Based on the above, I can see a time when the Abrahamic faiths will be far less rigid in their separate practices, and by focusing on relationship, they will learn to embrace each other in love, recognizing their common kinship, thus healing the wounds caused by all the breakdowns in relationship that have occurred in our common history.
From this perspective, Christians should lead the way, because ultimately, it is Christ who heals, and Christ who re-joins us to God. (Well, actually, ALL people of any faith should strive to lead the way, but Christians have more potential to lead the way, because of Christ.) But we can only do this when we realize and strive to make it our daily practice that the relationship with Jesus that we experience takes precedence over other elements of 'religious practice', and when we love others above and beyond religious perspectives. Christ’s love should guide and direct the process.
As believers, we open up the way for him, to not only work in our own lives, but also in our relationships with others, and through those relationships, to work more directly in others’ lives. So, for us as individuals, but also the same for us as a collective. Who or what can heal the broken heart of humanity, and pioneer the healing of all the billions of hurts and pains experienced by relationship breakdown between individuals, between families, between communities and ethnic groups, between nations of peoples, over our history?
Only the love of Christ, and for this reason, ultimately, the purpose of ALL religions is to pave a stepping stone to a connection with Christ. Many faithful see other non-Christian faiths as evil, as satanic. While actual satanic religions exist, in my view, God made the other major religions available to people because they were not ready to connect to Christ, for geographical or cultural or historical reasons. (Note: many of the world’s key faiths were all founded BEFORE the arrival of Jesus.) The purpose of those religions? To build stepping stones for people to disconnect from evil and build a bridge to goodness, aka to lay a foundation for connecting with Christ at a future point.
If we Christians were able to love the world with the full heart of Jesus, oh, how quickly the good and righteous people would recognize the essence of Christ in their own cultures, and how quickly would they come running to him, bringing their own unique perspectives to unique relationships with him.... Only through love will the family of God be reunited on the earth. Not dogma, not religious teaching, not even through religious practice. Christ is the Word of God embodied, and that word is True Love.
Anyway, random rambling thoughts on a Sunday....
Wow fren I really enjoyed reading this. As always you have a way with words.
Yes the reason I ask that question(who is Jesus to you) is because it often brings out where they feel Christians fall short...or it brings out the area they feel led to grow in Christ in.
I do agree often time Christians push away people and get far to rigid. I was just talking to my pastor about this. Other faiths and beliefs can have some truth in them yet those truths are just like floating in the air. Not grounded in the firm way they need to be grounded. Christians rather then admit this..will often times just completely reject it. Love allows us to see past this and kinda walk the person to a certain understanding through the leading of the holy spirit. Christians often creat scripts in there head and then when those don't work, they simply write the person off and say well they just don't wanna believe. I agree with alot of what you said fren. I try to engage in each dialogue I take place in by...asking Jesus what he wants me to share AND asking Jesus what he wants me to grow from them. I find each time there is something. It takes a humble heart though and we can constantly grow in that way. It also takes seeking to understand why and what exactly the person believes. Jesus is truth and all truth belongs to him. Wether the person admits this or not doesn't make it any less true. We must often walk with the person rather then strong arm them to our understanding.
Appreciate the detailed response fren. Love you. Thanks for the positive words fren :) ❤️🫂
No spoiler alert ,on future post. I’m an ex-Christian that had almost a 20 year journey of awakening on organized religion starting in 2001 post 9/11. I studied both the Protestant (majority) and Catholic bibles for a deeper meaning and connection, and the more I read/study the worse it got as far as finding a reason to stay in - now no organized religion but believe in the existence oh GODS - who? No spoiler alert too.
Notice I ask about Jesus. Not organized religion. I'm all about a deep intimate relationship with Jesus. He is Risen.
I guess you wanna be all mysterious so I will wait to comment further.
It's amazing that people cannot seperate "organized religion" and a personal relationship with Jesus. Or just maybe they want us not to be able to see the difference.
Jesus himself did not like religion when that religion was used to hurt others.
Religion is mans plan to put God into a box Jesus is God's plan to set people free.
Deep personal relationship with Jesus is such a beautiful thing. Hallelujah
We love you Jesus. Continue to bring us together. Continue to grow us. We give you our whole soul+mind+body
However, Matthew 18:20 ►"For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”
I was thinking this reads like a group jockeying for position to take control in the chaos that's coming up. There seem to be many genius alters under the monarch project, who are worse than Machiavellian in their strategies, having had goodness drummed out of them, and this whole screed sounds like something that works come from that. Never heard any precise or correct predictions from this character. I'll happily stick with a openly Jesus-loving prophet who correctly predicted Trump years before the escalator, who doubted his own words but obeyed and said them anyway.
Amen I will stick with Jesus as well..
I usually always lead with the who is Jesus question. You can learn a lot from that simple yet deep question..
Hallelujah Jesus Christ is 👑 KING 👑
Love you fren. I am here if you ever need prayer or fren to vent to
Jesus Christ† - the Savior† of the world. Always stick with Him† and trust in Him† and be thankful for all that He† has done and will do.
My apologies.
Question:
Do you know that the ascension of “Jesus” as described by Mark was “added” around the second century, and that both Matthew and Luke copied a lot of their materials from Mark including the ascension?
FYI : just in case you were not aware of it, its the very last part of Mark.🧘♂️🧘🧘♀️
It's all good I forgive you. 😁❤️
He is Risen is not going off that. It's going off the very fact that I talk with him daily and know him deeply. He is with us leading the way.
Not really trying to get in theological(or whatever we should call it)discussion tonight. Been a long week.
So for now we can end this topic with a peaceful. Have a blessed night. Love you fren
One of your posts you talked about the Trump family being groomed by MJ12…I want to know more about that.
Mat 16:15
¶ He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
Mat 16:16
¶ Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Mat 16:17
¶ Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
This is who Jesus is to me.
What is the Bible?
“Ironically, “The Book” is not just one book. It is a library of books, put together in one volume.”
pg 21, How to read your Bible; St. Joseph edition The New American Bible. Copyright 1992,1987,1980,1970 by Catholic Book Publishing Corp., New York, N.Y. Printed in Korea
Who are the authors of the books of the Bible?
“THE AUTHORS OF THESE BOOKS ARE MOSTLY UNKNOWN.”
pg 21, How to read your Bible; St. Joseph edition The New American Bible. Copyright 1992,1987,1980,1970 by Catholic Book Publishing Corp., New York, N.Y. Printed in Korea
Vatican New American Bible https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/_INDEX.HTM
Every “book” on the Vatican link has an INT, an introduction describing the contents, outline, authorship, dates of publication, etc. It also has a word glossary/index.
Examples:
Matthew: “The unknown author, whom we shall continue to call Matthew for the sake of convenience,” “The post - A.D. 70 date is confirmed”
Job: “The author of the book is not known”
Daniel: “the author, who is actually unknown”
Amen fren. Great verses right there.
So what does it mean to you when he says
"You are the Christ, the Son of the living God"
John 20:28. My Lord and my God. Same reaction as Thomas, without the doubting. ;)