Here's an example where discernment helps us not embarrass ourselves:
https://twitter.com/InvestigateEar1/status/1763596303840227381
Gotta agree, this video is pretty freaky on first view. What's really happening: Lightning storms mess with camera sensors big time. Those green beams? Just camera glitches when lightning's electromagnetic whack hits. The cheap Chinese CMOS sensors that's likely in these home security/Ring-style cameras get overloaded with the static electricity from the air in the thunderstorms and freak out. A lightning flash bombards the camera's sensor with a sudden surge of electromagnetic energy, causing it to misread the scene and create visual artifacts, which become especially pronounced when the lightning flashes. and spit out those green streaks instead of a clear shot. Nature's raw power just throwing tech a curveball.
But could it be this?
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41566-022-01139-z
No. The NATURE article details a ground-breaking experiment where intense laser pulses created ionized air channels on a Swiss mountain, successfully guiding lightning over distances, hinting at futuristic lightning protection methods. So, while the article shows how we might one day direct lightning with science, the green beams in your image are just common camera quirks (again, CMOS sensors are pretty shit in terms of performance), not this high-tech weather wizardry.
For example, Sony is still rocking CMOS sensors, but they're not your garden-variety ones; they're back-illuminated and stacked, giving them an edge in hoovering up light and speed-processing the data. Their cameras are so good, so ground-breakingly good that the recent movie THE CREATORS was recently filmed with one. Six lbs! But it's important to note: cameras packing this technology aren't selling for the $145 USD or whatever that people picking up Ring cameras or other cheap security cam solutions.
Anyway. This is kinda why GAW is moderated as strictly as it is. The mod logs are public, you can see them in the sidebar. GAW doesn't get touched much, lately. We're just humming along. But, this post is hopefully a good explanation about how sometimes the mods do get involved in something.
Thanks, <3 frogs
NOTE: How few upvotes this post has. WE ARE RESEARCHERS. We are not tricked by cheap Chinese security cameras
sensor artifacts due to spurious cell charge/discharge and chip read timing (interference) won't produce the "green streak" artifact depicted in the accompanying video. you need a better explanation. heck- video frame editing is more likely. yay- blender for the win!
Yes, it absolutely will. When a cheap CMOS sensor observes a night scene and lightning occurs, its automatic gain control (AGC) quickly adjusts the sensor's sensitivity to accommodate the sudden increase in light, aiming to prevent overexposure. However, due to limited dynamic range and slower adjustment speeds, details in the brightly lit areas may be lost or appear washed out as the sensor struggles to balance the extreme contrasts of the lightning against the dark night scene.
In the event of lightning, the image might experience:
While a cheap CMOS sensor is unlikely to suffer permanent damage from lightning, the resulting image may exhibit overexposure, clipping, ghosting, or temporary saturation effects due to the intense and transient nature of the light.
I am certainly surprised it coincides with the lightning blasting light everywhere, I would expect it to go more or less all white if truly overloaded.
DEWs exist, such as Iron Beam. I'm just not so sure that they can be applied from a satellite Hammer of Dawn style.
I would agree that editing techniques would be most likely.
I would also like to see more videos pointing towards this sort of overload, as quick searches are not really yielding any form of usable results.
Wow! Is this what happened in the Texas panhandle?
Yes
So I guess that makes the entire world unsafe because we will never know where they will point those lasers next. And it makes me wonder Why they wanted to burn out the Texas Panhandle. Was there some important person there or perhaps someone spreading the Truth they wanted to get rid of? Or do they want the land like they did in Hawaii? It makes a person wonder.
Alternate theory: We are actually seeing some type of laser steering lightning bolts.
That technology does exist, and dates back to at least the 1970's. Using lasers to form, and steer electric bolts of man-made "lightning" was researched by Soviet, and western armies in pursuit of anti-ICBM weapons.
The basic idea behind the lightning steering technology involves using laser beams to ionize parts of the atmosphere, and allow a lightning bolt to "steer" its way along the path of ionized air.
You are thinking about this:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41566-022-01139-z
No. These effects are created by lasers on the ground and close to the weather. This theory has no proof such things were around and not discovered there by anyone.
The NATURE article details a groundbreaking experiment where intense laser pulses created ionized air channels on a Swiss mountain, successfully guiding lightning over distances, hinting at futuristic lightning protection methods. So, while the article shows how we might one day direct lightning with science, the green beams in your image are just common camera quirks (again, CMOS sensors are pretty shit in terms of performance), not this high-tech weather wizardry.
For example, Sony's rocking CMOS sensors, but they're not your garden-variety ones; they're back-illuminated and stacked, giving them an edge in hoovering up light and speed-processing the data. And cameras packing this technology aren't selling for the $145 USD or whatever that people picking up Ring cameras or other cheap security cam solutions.
What I was trying to explain is that this is not "groundbreaking tech," not even close to it. It is technology that has been around for 40+ years. Allegedly, the Soviet Union first developed the tech as part of their anti-ICBM program.
Now, regarding the anomaly that the camera picked up. I do not believe that what we are seeing is any kind of a visible [to the human eye] light beam. However, I would not be quick to rule out that the camera did pick up some kind of invisible ionizing beam, artificially created, and that the camera sensors simply applied a false (green light) coloring as a camera sensor error, to an actual, artificially created ionization beam.
Again, I am not saying that this is what we are seeing. But it is theoretically possible considering the fact that old technology exists that uses ionizing beams to manipulated lightning.
I am not a proponent for any of the various DEW attack hypotheses but, I will say that if this video is real, then I would find it quite concerning.
OK cool, that's very interesting. Thank you for doing your research, frog. Here, please see this comment for why the CMOS artifacts were green. It's related to how the CMOS interprets colour
Try maximising the video and slowing it down to 0.25x while watching between the 31s and 32s marks. It doesn't look like video sensor quirks to me. But it also doesn't look like it is coming from very high up because the angle changes so much over it's pathway.
Thanks catsfive. Great info.
Thanks, frog. I'm going to sticky this tonight overnight so more frogs can see it
catsfive's explanation would have more credibility if the color was also scientifically explained. Why green? The continental USA has some major lightning storms. Have there been any more sightings in areas with cameras?
Then ask! It's caused because of the way CMOS chips even work. Five layers. Three sense red, green, and blue, and the other two sense hue and intensity. Cheap security cams skimp on the RGB layers and focus on night/day performance.
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Green "smearing" in CMOS sensor images can stem from a few factors:
Anyway. This is why. It's the mix of sensor design and lens characteristics typically highlights green artifacts under certain conditions.
Thank you for the additional info.
Thank you frog. Thank you for being open-minded to my explanation. I'm not deliberately trying to be a "know-it-all," but, having been in digital photography since buying my Casio QV-10 in 1995. The sensors were everything and I followed the CMOS chip development intensely. What Sony is doing with their CMOS is literally absolutely criminal, it's next level amazing what they can do.
You're welcome. This handoff of information is much better than banning the topic altogether. Many on this board are not just providing information, but also looking for information, albeit sometimes clumsily. As stated earlier we have many lightning storms throughout the USA, so this explanation will be proven or disproven with the passage of time.
We will continue to weigh every situation, but, in terms of this green laser dogshit, no, unfortunately, the mods will go full-on switchblade throat-slitting on retards too stupid to understand how a CMOS camera works
When I bought this house in late ‘22, it had a Ring doorbell installed. I had no interest in activating it. I was cruising around in my firewall’s logs and I found a huge amount of traffic going to God knows where. I very quickly put a stop to that shit with a new rule. The son of a bitch got on the wireless. I blocked its MAC address in the access point. I still haven’t figured out how to put a regular doorbell in. All the stuff is there but I think the wiring is bad.
Are you sure it was outbound traffic rather than inbound attempts?
It doesn't really make sense that a consumer product could silently pierce your security, especially when it should have been found many times over by techies.
Interesting, I only took a superficial look at the traffic, I blocked it inbound and outbound. I’ll have another look if it hasn’t scrolled off the logs. I have a number of geo blocks in place, I get about 25000 hits a day on those rules,
Have you ever watched styropyro? That's good info on what happens to camera censors with lasers.
I've seen a few of his shorts. The man is insane for lasers!
So this is an example of what goes on daily as information is put out there and interpreted. At face value it looks odd. It gets explained as one thing and then you hear another explanation. Both are plausible so you can’t really settle on one explanation. I’m just highlighting /catsfive why people resist. It’s a constant battle of discernment trying to find the truth. Thanks for the info!
That's cool. Check my comments in this thread, tho?
Gotcha - I’m laughing at my own recognition of a certain disappointment when a “clear cable hit”, is scientifically explained. Nice job of breaking it down.