So you think that a hypervelocity kinetic energy weapon consisting of 25' long tungsten steel beams (basically telephone poles) weighing around 4 tons each were dropped from space to take out the facility? Just getting that much cargo weight into low-earth orbit borders on impossible even for a rocket as macho as Falcon Heavy-9. Not to mention loading several into a space borne deployment magazine. I'll stick with DEWs which don't need to be in orbit, they can more easily be deployed by plane (SKY) or ship.
Yes. The Delta IV Heavy can launch up to 28,000kg. Falcon Heavy can launch more, but is too new for this program. The theoretical weight of these tungsten rods varies in descriptions of the concept, but a commonly cited figure is around 20 feet in length and about 1 foot in diameter, weighing approximately 9,000 to 12,000 kilograms (20,000 to 26,000 pounds). Obviously such a system could merely be the rod itself, with an RCS guidance package on the end. The theories I've seen states that these rods could be launched individually or in pairs and would orbit (and de-orbit on command) independently.
I'll stick with DEWs which don't need to be in orbit, they can more easily be deployed by plane (SKY) or ship.
You are going by the logical phallacy called "incredulity," where you are choosing the theories that feel "right" to you, rather than the theories that are within our current technological capabilities. For instance, the "airplane laser DEW" program was a total failure. The Boeing 747 is now sitting abandoned and almost totally dismantled in the "Boneyard," at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, Arizona.
Reading comprehension isn't your best asset I see. You reply to me quoting things I never said. But to that point, tell Space Force their X37-B which launched on Sep. 7, 2017 and landed on Oct. 27, 2019, then launched again May 17, 2020 and landed Nov. 12, 2022. Sounds like a "skyship" to me. LOL!
If you would read what I wrote you would know that I said I don't know if they are space borne or not. They wouldn't need to be. Also I never said they were "green lasers". What you are calling a failure (weak) is still in use. But for that matter, we don't know what they have evolved to now. But we know they will show us this much as of 2014. When I was in we had a saying, whatever Uncle Sam lets us play with you can bet your ass he has shit 50 years ahead of it.
It's a given that you and I have no real idea of what they have. Certainly a bunch of plane "geeks" don't know. I'd wager that very few of the plane geeks know we have taken down an orbiting satellite with an F-15. Yet we shot down one of our own satellites using an F-15 during the Cold War just to show the USSR that we could take theirs down. There's an old adage attributed to Tao Te Ching that goes; "Those that know do not talk, those that talk do not know."
Now maybe some booger eaters in intel with Q clearance that have SAP privileges know. But what they know best is how to keep their mouth shut. So since there is no way we can know we should discuss these things here, especially since it can be inferred in the Q drops. Just because you don't see it like other do doesn't make it wrong and you right. That's why we discuss these things here, to hash out the possible intentions of the drops. For you to come along and put your moderator pants on and quell discussion just because you don't think it right...well lets just say I'm glad you aren't king.
I've been a moderator and also an administrator of some very large shooting and hunting sites. One of which sent me (east coast) to Las Vegas to represent them at the 1998 SHOT Show. As a moderator you should encourage discussion and debate and never interfere except in cases of trolling, illegality, hostility or when site rules are obviously being violated. As an administrator you should never get involved, all tasks pertaining to the general membership should be delegated to a moderator.
Well, I'm not really involved, since the DEW sticky was made by u/Qanaut without my knowledge. But you raise some excellent points.
You reply to me quoting things I never said
I didn't ascribe them to you, read the room—read this entire thread. This is what's being said.
BTW, X-37B went back up two weeks ago! Such an interesting mission. I wonder what it could be...
Also I never said they were "green lasers".
OK, wait, reading comprehension isn't your best asset, either. :) That is the post going around. That's the entire viral conversation going on all over X right now. That video showing green lasers.
whatever Uncle Sam lets us play with you can bet your ass he has shit 50 years ahead of it.
Fine, but we refuse to use this as an "invisible bridge" in our theories. I'm not allowing low-info retardery to go:
ERMAGERD GREEN LASERSES
Biden said "roof colour!"
????
PROOFS WE HAVE TEH SPACE WEAPONSES!
That's functionally retarded. Not allowing it. Take it to c/conspiracies.
As a moderator you should encourage discussion and debate and never interfere except in cases of trolling, illegality, hostility or when site rules are obviously being violated
I can agree with this. However, moderators have two jobs that are counter-opposed to one another. Yes, absolutely, we are responsible for the long-term health of the discussion on this board. That is an excellent point. But we are also fucked if we allow unwanted species to multiply freely. Since you were into hunting, you of course know that you put down only the bait that attracts your target. Therefore, here on GAW, we are targeting high-effort, high-info posters who post real, provable, and research-backed comments and posts. But we are ALSO charged with sniping the low-effort, low-info faggots. The best way to encourage more of those faggots settling comfortably into your community is to not let them get comfortable. DO NOT FEED. Skim this thread. Other than the mods, which 'species' would you say this DEW content attracts? Other than my posts, what is the most high-effort, high-info post in here?
Dumb, poorly-researched topics attract the wrong crowd. The mods will thin this herd until they no longer infest our research.
Go ahead. Pick the "DEW tards" in this thread and view their post histories.
So you think that a hypervelocity kinetic energy weapon consisting of 25' long tungsten steel beams (basically telephone poles) weighing around 4 tons each were dropped from space to take out the facility? Just getting that much cargo weight into low-earth orbit borders on impossible even for a rocket as macho as Falcon Heavy-9. Not to mention loading several into a space borne deployment magazine. I'll stick with DEWs which don't need to be in orbit, they can more easily be deployed by plane (SKY) or ship.
Yes. The Delta IV Heavy can launch up to 28,000kg. Falcon Heavy can launch more, but is too new for this program. The theoretical weight of these tungsten rods varies in descriptions of the concept, but a commonly cited figure is around 20 feet in length and about 1 foot in diameter, weighing approximately 9,000 to 12,000 kilograms (20,000 to 26,000 pounds). Obviously such a system could merely be the rod itself, with an RCS guidance package on the end. The theories I've seen states that these rods could be launched individually or in pairs and would orbit (and de-orbit on command) independently.
You are going by the logical phallacy called "incredulity," where you are choosing the theories that feel "right" to you, rather than the theories that are within our current technological capabilities. For instance, the "airplane laser DEW" program was a total failure. The Boeing 747 is now sitting abandoned and almost totally dismantled in the "Boneyard," at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, Arizona.
But no, we need magical "skyships," LOL.
Reading comprehension isn't your best asset I see. You reply to me quoting things I never said. But to that point, tell Space Force their X37-B which launched on Sep. 7, 2017 and landed on Oct. 27, 2019, then launched again May 17, 2020 and landed Nov. 12, 2022. Sounds like a "skyship" to me. LOL!
If you would read what I wrote you would know that I said I don't know if they are space borne or not. They wouldn't need to be. Also I never said they were "green lasers". What you are calling a failure (weak) is still in use. But for that matter, we don't know what they have evolved to now. But we know they will show us this much as of 2014. When I was in we had a saying, whatever Uncle Sam lets us play with you can bet your ass he has shit 50 years ahead of it.
It's a given that you and I have no real idea of what they have. Certainly a bunch of plane "geeks" don't know. I'd wager that very few of the plane geeks know we have taken down an orbiting satellite with an F-15. Yet we shot down one of our own satellites using an F-15 during the Cold War just to show the USSR that we could take theirs down. There's an old adage attributed to Tao Te Ching that goes; "Those that know do not talk, those that talk do not know."
Now maybe some booger eaters in intel with Q clearance that have SAP privileges know. But what they know best is how to keep their mouth shut. So since there is no way we can know we should discuss these things here, especially since it can be inferred in the Q drops. Just because you don't see it like other do doesn't make it wrong and you right. That's why we discuss these things here, to hash out the possible intentions of the drops. For you to come along and put your moderator pants on and quell discussion just because you don't think it right...well lets just say I'm glad you aren't king.
I've been a moderator and also an administrator of some very large shooting and hunting sites. One of which sent me (east coast) to Las Vegas to represent them at the 1998 SHOT Show. As a moderator you should encourage discussion and debate and never interfere except in cases of trolling, illegality, hostility or when site rules are obviously being violated. As an administrator you should never get involved, all tasks pertaining to the general membership should be delegated to a moderator.
Well, I'm not really involved, since the DEW sticky was made by u/Qanaut without my knowledge. But you raise some excellent points.
I didn't ascribe them to you, read the room—read this entire thread. This is what's being said.
BTW, X-37B went back up two weeks ago! Such an interesting mission. I wonder what it could be...
OK, wait, reading comprehension isn't your best asset, either. :) That is the post going around. That's the entire viral conversation going on all over X right now. That video showing green lasers.
Fine, but we refuse to use this as an "invisible bridge" in our theories. I'm not allowing low-info retardery to go:
ERMAGERD GREEN LASERSES
Biden said "roof colour!"
????
PROOFS WE HAVE TEH SPACE WEAPONSES!
That's functionally retarded. Not allowing it. Take it to c/conspiracies.
I can agree with this. However, moderators have two jobs that are counter-opposed to one another. Yes, absolutely, we are responsible for the long-term health of the discussion on this board. That is an excellent point. But we are also fucked if we allow unwanted species to multiply freely. Since you were into hunting, you of course know that you put down only the bait that attracts your target. Therefore, here on GAW, we are targeting high-effort, high-info posters who post real, provable, and research-backed comments and posts. But we are ALSO charged with sniping the low-effort, low-info faggots. The best way to encourage more of those faggots settling comfortably into your community is to not let them get comfortable. DO NOT FEED. Skim this thread. Other than the mods, which 'species' would you say this DEW content attracts? Other than my posts, what is the most high-effort, high-info post in here?
Dumb, poorly-researched topics attract the wrong crowd. The mods will thin this herd until they no longer infest our research.
Go ahead. Pick the "DEW tards" in this thread and view their post histories.
Congrats, you are now a mod :)
Well said fren.