The United States is a Democracy. A Republic is a type of democracy. It's a representative democracy.
There are all types of democracies, but I've noticed those who think the US isn't one seem to believe there is only one type of democracy, a direct democracy, or "mob rule".
A democracy is simply a system of government run by the people. As opposed to monarchies, dictatorships, oligarchies, etc...
In the case of a Republic, the people choose representatives to vote and govern for them. But the people are still choosing.
So saying the US isn't a democracy because it's a republic is like saying Pepsi isn't a soda because it's a Pepsi.
When did all this "The US isn't a democracy!" stuff start? It's like one day I woke up and tons of people were suddenly claiming it. I get the feeling someone with a podcast like Joe Rogan said it, and people just went along with it.
Is it because the Democrats started screaming Trump was trying to end our democracy?
Or is it because "democrats" and "democracy" have the same roots? Like "republic" and "republicans" have the same roots? So you think democracy is bad and republic is good because of that?
I would really appreciate it if someone could explain to me when and why so many people started saying the US isn't a democracy.
Reagan would be spinning in his grave if he heard people saying that.
Even President Trump talks about how we're a democracy.
26:36
"For four straight years, our opponents have been waging an all out war on American democracy."
30:48
He talks about how the Democrats have made a new hoax about how he's a danger to democracy, but he's going to save democracy.
Kind of odd that the best president in recent history is not only acknowledging that the US is a democracy -but that he will save it -if we're not a democracy, but a republic. Right?
Our system was created in spite of democracy. "2 wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner," is a common quote im sure you're familiar with. The founders rejected every bit of the monarchy and its systems. When idiots say "our democracy," they are absolutely insinuating that we are not a constitutional representative republic. When you say democratic republic, you mean like Somalia? Afghanistan? China? The Congo? Some of the attributes may be "democratic," but we are not them. I stand by my previous statement.
Anyone who has read any of our founding documents understands that a democracy was repugnant to them and for good reason. JJ, you get it. Huge difference between a Constitutional Republic and anything else.....
A direct democracy, or "mob rule", was what our founding fathers were against.
If our founding fathers didn't want any sort of democracy then they really fucked up by making this a republic, which I have pointed out about 10 times here now, is a type of democracy.
Slighting or shifting the conversation to include statements made in a political setting is not really the gotcha moment you may think it is.
I realize in today's world the definition of such things like what a woman is or what an assault rifle is can change as fast as the algorithm can change it, which is pretty fast. I'm not trying to take away from anything you stated above, however, where in the Constitution of the United States is the word Democracy?
The term Democratic Republic may be found within the anals of History, but that term doesn't simply mean Democracy Republic.
I stand firm in my statement, as backed by many forefathers of the Country itself. For example.... In 1787, Benjamin Franklin said "A republic, if you can keep it" when asked about the country's new government. Benjamin did not say "a Democracy". Now if you postulate that I'm wrong I recommend taking that up with the National Archives.
By the way, it's the omission of the term Republic I'm most curious about. Citing democracy alone is truly the irritating part. I understand what your saying, I just don't agree that those that use the term actually know anything about what you wrote, instead their repeating shit like a damn parrot.
Where in the world are you getting that I called the US a "democratic republic"? Because I didn't. I said a republic was a form of democracy called a representative democracy.
Why would the Constitution need to include the word "democracy"? The concept of democracy has been around for thousands of years. The concept of republics has been around for thousands of years. These are not new concepts that need to be defined in the US Constitution.
In regards to what you wrote about Franklin...do you not understand the concept of how a republic is a type of democracy? Again, this is like saying Pepsi isn't a soda because it's a Pepsi. So it makes little sense for someone who is talking about Pepsi to make a big to-do about how Pepsi is a soda. Because most people aren't stupid and understand that Pepsi is a type of soda.
So expecting Ben Franklin to make a point out of calling the US a democracy when he's already called it a Republic is a bit like that. Because Ben Franklin wasn't fucking retarded and understood that a republic was a form of democracy.
I feel like I'm trying to explain advanced physics to a plow horse.
Seriously, people. It's not that hard a concept to grasp. I learned all this in 6th or 7th grade. Of course, I didn't go to public schools in the US, so maybe that's why I can understand simple concepts. 🤷
The United States is a Democracy. A Republic is a type of democracy. It's a representative democracy.
There are all types of democracies, but I've noticed those who think the US isn't one seem to believe there is only one type of democracy, a direct democracy, or "mob rule".
A democracy is simply a system of government run by the people. As opposed to monarchies, dictatorships, oligarchies, etc...
In the case of a Republic, the people choose representatives to vote and govern for them. But the people are still choosing.
So saying the US isn't a democracy because it's a republic is like saying Pepsi isn't a soda because it's a Pepsi.
When did all this "The US isn't a democracy!" stuff start? It's like one day I woke up and tons of people were suddenly claiming it. I get the feeling someone with a podcast like Joe Rogan said it, and people just went along with it.
Is it because the Democrats started screaming Trump was trying to end our democracy?
Or is it because "democrats" and "democracy" have the same roots? Like "republic" and "republicans" have the same roots? So you think democracy is bad and republic is good because of that?
I would really appreciate it if someone could explain to me when and why so many people started saying the US isn't a democracy.
Reagan would be spinning in his grave if he heard people saying that.
Even President Trump talks about how we're a democracy.
https://youtu.be/hvUXfoSeDZ8?si=TeQRTXnbzobnTWnr
"Republicans in the MAGA movement are not the ones trying to undermine our democracy. We are the ones trying to save our democracy."
https://www.youtube.com/live/IclsCIgkTSY?si=3vUjflFuFzGauoeb
26:36 "For four straight years, our opponents have been waging an all out war on American democracy."
30:48 He talks about how the Democrats have made a new hoax about how he's a danger to democracy, but he's going to save democracy.
Kind of odd that the best president in recent history is not only acknowledging that the US is a democracy -but that he will save it -if we're not a democracy, but a republic. Right?
Our system was created in spite of democracy. "2 wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner," is a common quote im sure you're familiar with. The founders rejected every bit of the monarchy and its systems. When idiots say "our democracy," they are absolutely insinuating that we are not a constitutional representative republic. When you say democratic republic, you mean like Somalia? Afghanistan? China? The Congo? Some of the attributes may be "democratic," but we are not them. I stand by my previous statement.
Anyone who has read any of our founding documents understands that a democracy was repugnant to them and for good reason. JJ, you get it. Huge difference between a Constitutional Republic and anything else.....
A direct democracy, or "mob rule", was what our founding fathers were against.
If our founding fathers didn't want any sort of democracy then they really fucked up by making this a republic, which I have pointed out about 10 times here now, is a type of democracy.
Slighting or shifting the conversation to include statements made in a political setting is not really the gotcha moment you may think it is.
I realize in today's world the definition of such things like what a woman is or what an assault rifle is can change as fast as the algorithm can change it, which is pretty fast. I'm not trying to take away from anything you stated above, however, where in the Constitution of the United States is the word Democracy?
The term Democratic Republic may be found within the anals of History, but that term doesn't simply mean Democracy Republic.
I stand firm in my statement, as backed by many forefathers of the Country itself. For example.... In 1787, Benjamin Franklin said "A republic, if you can keep it" when asked about the country's new government. Benjamin did not say "a Democracy". Now if you postulate that I'm wrong I recommend taking that up with the National Archives.
By the way, it's the omission of the term Republic I'm most curious about. Citing democracy alone is truly the irritating part. I understand what your saying, I just don't agree that those that use the term actually know anything about what you wrote, instead their repeating shit like a damn parrot.
Moving on ....
Where in the world are you getting that I called the US a "democratic republic"? Because I didn't. I said a republic was a form of democracy called a representative democracy.
Why would the Constitution need to include the word "democracy"? The concept of democracy has been around for thousands of years. The concept of republics has been around for thousands of years. These are not new concepts that need to be defined in the US Constitution.
In regards to what you wrote about Franklin...do you not understand the concept of how a republic is a type of democracy? Again, this is like saying Pepsi isn't a soda because it's a Pepsi. So it makes little sense for someone who is talking about Pepsi to make a big to-do about how Pepsi is a soda. Because most people aren't stupid and understand that Pepsi is a type of soda.
So expecting Ben Franklin to make a point out of calling the US a democracy when he's already called it a Republic is a bit like that. Because Ben Franklin wasn't fucking retarded and understood that a republic was a form of democracy.
I feel like I'm trying to explain advanced physics to a plow horse.
Seriously, people. It's not that hard a concept to grasp. I learned all this in 6th or 7th grade. Of course, I didn't go to public schools in the US, so maybe that's why I can understand simple concepts. 🤷
Think you need to go back to school.