How would you describe the difference between a zettlekasten structure and what thebrain does?
One thing I did notice with thebrain is that the structures tend to go wildly sideways very quickly. I don’t know if that was a side effect of how the data I saw was being entered or if that’s just the way that thebrain works, but I’d think we should want our trees to look like a healthy blue spruce or live oak, not the Charlie Brown tree, whatever the case is.
I’ll try to look more into some data visualization and mining methods.
With things like thebrain, you have to hand-stitch everything together. It's somewhat useful if actually diagnosing linear events, or construction/engineering processes, since those are often static.
With zettle-like notetaking, you may find connections between things that you normally wouldn't think to link together, or not spend the time hand-stitching together.
I was once doing a completely isolated dive into homeopathy and the way it seems to interact with water structure an the molecular level. I realized this tied in with certain atomic crystaline geometries, so without distracting myself from the specific research I was doing at the moment, I simply added a tag to my other research: something like #crystals #salts #zeolites #quantumchemistry #electro-biology for instance
Later, when viewing "the graph" (which is the auto-organized linkages between notes, I could see and also recall there was a connection between those two seemingly discrete areas of interest. This "short circuit" allows me to expand thinking and find connections between things without the need to hand-build a structure.
The best use case for thebrain, imo, in this field of conspiracy research, would be to linearly depict and annotate event sequences. A sequence of q-proofs, or the way uranium one played out, or the timeline of earth history, financial history, etc. Those things are suited for static tree graphs since the events themselves are static in time.
The main issue with thebrain and static note structures, is that you may end up determining there's more connections to add to the graph, that interlink in inextricable ways, which makes it confoundingly difficult to try and hand-organize. Instead, a solution would be to have a "cloud" of notes, and then ask the cloud what's related to q, or money, or what x politician has been related to. This will then automatically draw the connections, allowing you to learn more from your own research in unforseen ways.
As an aside, it works exceptionally well for keeping track of posts/news pieces that are interesting but seemingly disconnected. I may find a good GAW post that has it's own way of describing how the Fed and Titanic are related, so I'll save that link into the zettle, along with tags of #fed #titanic #(names of those onboard). Later, I may one day make another note about those names that were onboard. Instead of reacting like "hmm, where have I heard that name before?" I can see that the name links back to the post. Now connections start to appear!
Let's say as another example: I create a note or series of notes for every mass shooting that has taken place, as they come up. I can now, in the future after taking said notes, say "show me mass shootings" and it'll bring up all of those notes that I took, which now I can use to see similarities or differences, again, without having to manually add or remove them from lists.
Here's an example of a logseq graph, any one of these nodes can be clicked on to show a sidebar of the page/note, and it will also show direct and indirect connections
I can tag notes, and it'll auto-organize the tree structure based on what's related to what. Each note is it's own discrete thing that's thrown into the mix of the "snowglobe" of notes, if you will. At any time if I want to search the information, all related trees and branches show up, rather than the traditional structuring where you have to organize it yourself.
So if I create a note that is titled "MH370" or something, I can tag it with #plane #disappearances #(region it was in) etc, then if I search the #plane tag, it might show ADS.b link, other plane incidents, the recent boeing suiciding, etc.
I highly advise you try it out, it's free and requires no subscription, and all of your notes are hosted on your own machine (Logseq)
I've used it since 2020 or so, and it's insanely boosted my ability to find links, notes, resources, etc. It's like building a search engine for your own mind.
This would be worth looking into as well. The important thing is being able to create lots of relations, tie information to those relations (evidence, resources, disputes, etc) , shift how the associations are presented quickly, and find and see things based off what’s related to them to mine the data.
I was only looking at this platform because it’s the one I saw, but if there’s a product in the space that better fits the role, it’ll be much better to look at it first.
u/Slechta5614 this is definitely a good point - there should be an evaluation phase where we look up and trial bubble a few different providers and list the pros and cons of each before settling on a platform, like any software project. Could end up saving a lot of work or producing a better product.
Yes, but in most cases I use it to quickly construct citations, or find links from notes I've taken for relevant data I might be referencing in a conversation. Often the way people create notes or link things is entirely unique to the way their own mind works. So creating a document, a post, etc is the art of laying out context that constructs a narrative (or set of stacking relevant information) to support a thesis.
For example, if someone was to bring up directed energy weapons saying they don't exist, I can quickly conjure citations demonstrating that they do exist, here's how they're used, here's the current capabilities, how it relates to weather modification, etc. "Normally," that might take doing the research on the spot to try and find those links. Instead I've already created my own searchable database based on what I've previously reviewed.
Think of it mostly as a slowly built up mega compendium of everything you find interesting. And since it auto-organizes, you can quickly dig out what you know you wrote or how you've linked things together.
There's also applications like NotebookLM (and other ai assisted note-searching apps) that let you query your own notes in plain english, and it'll bring up your info as well as expanded info from associated links~ pretty cool stuff
When it comes to "sharing" I personally find it best to construct something and order it based on the context. Be it a discussion, twitter thread, blog post, video script, etc. Logseq and other zettlekasten tools allow me to quickly pull up what I already know I know, and use notes that I may have taken sporadically when those interests have arisen in the past.
Think of it as literally writing a note, tossing it in a big basket, but then being able to ask things like "show me everything I've written on electric universe theory" or whatever. It truly solves the "wait, where was that site again?" problem in keeping sources in order. The process of re-wringing or tagging things into this system helps reinforce memory as well, since well, you wrote it, and you know that it's in the system somewhere, without having to worry where.
might find more use in a zettlekasten structure, such as logseq
How would you describe the difference between a zettlekasten structure and what thebrain does?
One thing I did notice with thebrain is that the structures tend to go wildly sideways very quickly. I don’t know if that was a side effect of how the data I saw was being entered or if that’s just the way that thebrain works, but I’d think we should want our trees to look like a healthy blue spruce or live oak, not the Charlie Brown tree, whatever the case is.
I’ll try to look more into some data visualization and mining methods.
With things like thebrain, you have to hand-stitch everything together. It's somewhat useful if actually diagnosing linear events, or construction/engineering processes, since those are often static.
With zettle-like notetaking, you may find connections between things that you normally wouldn't think to link together, or not spend the time hand-stitching together.
I was once doing a completely isolated dive into homeopathy and the way it seems to interact with water structure an the molecular level. I realized this tied in with certain atomic crystaline geometries, so without distracting myself from the specific research I was doing at the moment, I simply added a tag to my other research: something like #crystals #salts #zeolites #quantumchemistry #electro-biology for instance
Later, when viewing "the graph" (which is the auto-organized linkages between notes, I could see and also recall there was a connection between those two seemingly discrete areas of interest. This "short circuit" allows me to expand thinking and find connections between things without the need to hand-build a structure.
The best use case for thebrain, imo, in this field of conspiracy research, would be to linearly depict and annotate event sequences. A sequence of q-proofs, or the way uranium one played out, or the timeline of earth history, financial history, etc. Those things are suited for static tree graphs since the events themselves are static in time.
The main issue with thebrain and static note structures, is that you may end up determining there's more connections to add to the graph, that interlink in inextricable ways, which makes it confoundingly difficult to try and hand-organize. Instead, a solution would be to have a "cloud" of notes, and then ask the cloud what's related to q, or money, or what x politician has been related to. This will then automatically draw the connections, allowing you to learn more from your own research in unforseen ways.
Which then, as I mentioned in this reply can be used to support a thesis or create a piece of useful content.
As an aside, it works exceptionally well for keeping track of posts/news pieces that are interesting but seemingly disconnected. I may find a good GAW post that has it's own way of describing how the Fed and Titanic are related, so I'll save that link into the zettle, along with tags of #fed #titanic #(names of those onboard). Later, I may one day make another note about those names that were onboard. Instead of reacting like "hmm, where have I heard that name before?" I can see that the name links back to the post. Now connections start to appear!
Let's say as another example: I create a note or series of notes for every mass shooting that has taken place, as they come up. I can now, in the future after taking said notes, say "show me mass shootings" and it'll bring up all of those notes that I took, which now I can use to see similarities or differences, again, without having to manually add or remove them from lists.
Here's an example of a logseq graph, any one of these nodes can be clicked on to show a sidebar of the page/note, and it will also show direct and indirect connections
:) man I love your zeal..keep it up fren.
They’ve trapped us in this huge web of data. For some reason the idea of flipping tables and surfacing truth to drive out defilers seems great!
Wow what an excellent way to phrase that. It's a beautiful call to action.
We definitely have the people to make this happen..now we just gotta figure out the how. It will for sure be worth it in the end though
…So of course we got hit by project deadlines, heavy storm damage, and long term sickness lol
Interesting what makes you suggest this app fren
I can tag notes, and it'll auto-organize the tree structure based on what's related to what. Each note is it's own discrete thing that's thrown into the mix of the "snowglobe" of notes, if you will. At any time if I want to search the information, all related trees and branches show up, rather than the traditional structuring where you have to organize it yourself.
So if I create a note that is titled "MH370" or something, I can tag it with #plane #disappearances #(region it was in) etc, then if I search the #plane tag, it might show ADS.b link, other plane incidents, the recent boeing suiciding, etc.
I highly advise you try it out, it's free and requires no subscription, and all of your notes are hosted on your own machine (Logseq)
I've used it since 2020 or so, and it's insanely boosted my ability to find links, notes, resources, etc. It's like building a search engine for your own mind.
This would be worth looking into as well. The important thing is being able to create lots of relations, tie information to those relations (evidence, resources, disputes, etc) , shift how the associations are presented quickly, and find and see things based off what’s related to them to mine the data.
I was only looking at this platform because it’s the one I saw, but if there’s a product in the space that better fits the role, it’ll be much better to look at it first.
u/Slechta5614 this is definitely a good point - there should be an evaluation phase where we look up and trial bubble a few different providers and list the pros and cons of each before settling on a platform, like any software project. Could end up saving a lot of work or producing a better product.
This is actually a very very good idea and honestly the best way to start. Thanks fren. I will try to put out a post on it some point today :)
I wanna make sure the stuff created is sharable to
Thanks for the suggestion fren. I will look into this as well.
Is the stuff shareable..like if I create something can I then share it
Yes, but in most cases I use it to quickly construct citations, or find links from notes I've taken for relevant data I might be referencing in a conversation. Often the way people create notes or link things is entirely unique to the way their own mind works. So creating a document, a post, etc is the art of laying out context that constructs a narrative (or set of stacking relevant information) to support a thesis.
For example, if someone was to bring up directed energy weapons saying they don't exist, I can quickly conjure citations demonstrating that they do exist, here's how they're used, here's the current capabilities, how it relates to weather modification, etc. "Normally," that might take doing the research on the spot to try and find those links. Instead I've already created my own searchable database based on what I've previously reviewed.
Think of it mostly as a slowly built up mega compendium of everything you find interesting. And since it auto-organizes, you can quickly dig out what you know you wrote or how you've linked things together.
There's also applications like NotebookLM (and other ai assisted note-searching apps) that let you query your own notes in plain english, and it'll bring up your info as well as expanded info from associated links~ pretty cool stuff
When it comes to "sharing" I personally find it best to construct something and order it based on the context. Be it a discussion, twitter thread, blog post, video script, etc. Logseq and other zettlekasten tools allow me to quickly pull up what I already know I know, and use notes that I may have taken sporadically when those interests have arisen in the past.
Think of it as literally writing a note, tossing it in a big basket, but then being able to ask things like "show me everything I've written on electric universe theory" or whatever. It truly solves the "wait, where was that site again?" problem in keeping sources in order. The process of re-wringing or tagging things into this system helps reinforce memory as well, since well, you wrote it, and you know that it's in the system somewhere, without having to worry where.