Sorry, I need to go back and get that again. I've forgotten. It is in Obadiah I believe. In order to understand though one must know that Edom or Esau is in modern Jewry. Jacob is made up of those who have been mostly Christians for the last almost 2000 years. They hear and follow Christ as Christ said. The bible defines its own terms. Sheep are Israel. The modern day Jews are not, and have never been, God's Israel people as proven by the bible, history and even Jewish writings.
Sorry but what you speak of is amillenism where they teach the church replaced Israel which is heresy. This was started with Origen, adopted by Constantine and later by the Roman Catholic church. Saying God breaks His promise to Israel makes Him a liar. The covenant made with Abraham was unconditional and this covenant was passed to Issac and Jacob. The last 20 + chapters of Isiah tell of the establishment of Israel as a nation in the end times. Zachariah 12 tells of Israel no longer being 2 sticks--nations-- but one nation. From Revelation 4 to the end of the book is all Jewish in the language. Romans 9-11 makes it clear God is not through with Israel. Not every Jew in Israel is not of Edom!
I don't believe the church replaced Israel. True physical Israel is the church though. The phrase, "The Called" is defined by scripture as Israel. Only true Israel. The Greek word translated church is "the called out". Modern Christianity teaches that God broke His promises by believing the frauds are God's chosen. The world is upside down, not the Kingdom of God. In the Hebrew and Greek there is unity of faith and doctrine. The words Jew and Gentile as we understand them today are not in the Hebrew or Greek.
The church is spiritual Israel according to the Bible. I just say what the Bible says and I believe the Bible. You can believe whatever you like, it is not worth arguing over.
That is good, but please provide a verse. Spiritualizing the bible destroys the message that God intended. There is never a need to spiritualize. It is most often done to makes sense of the bible in view of the world. The better way to understand God is to make the world fit the bible. When you get the correct people in the correct roles, there is no need for a spiritual Israel. Christ said that His Israel people follow Him and hear His voice. Who has done that for the last almost 2000 years?
Sorry, I need to go back and get that again. I've forgotten. It is in Obadiah I believe. In order to understand though one must know that Edom or Esau is in modern Jewry. Jacob is made up of those who have been mostly Christians for the last almost 2000 years. They hear and follow Christ as Christ said. The bible defines its own terms. Sheep are Israel. The modern day Jews are not, and have never been, God's Israel people as proven by the bible, history and even Jewish writings.
Sorry but what you speak of is amillenism where they teach the church replaced Israel which is heresy. This was started with Origen, adopted by Constantine and later by the Roman Catholic church. Saying God breaks His promise to Israel makes Him a liar. The covenant made with Abraham was unconditional and this covenant was passed to Issac and Jacob. The last 20 + chapters of Isiah tell of the establishment of Israel as a nation in the end times. Zachariah 12 tells of Israel no longer being 2 sticks--nations-- but one nation. From Revelation 4 to the end of the book is all Jewish in the language. Romans 9-11 makes it clear God is not through with Israel. Not every Jew in Israel is not of Edom!
I don't believe the church replaced Israel. True physical Israel is the church though. The phrase, "The Called" is defined by scripture as Israel. Only true Israel. The Greek word translated church is "the called out". Modern Christianity teaches that God broke His promises by believing the frauds are God's chosen. The world is upside down, not the Kingdom of God. In the Hebrew and Greek there is unity of faith and doctrine. The words Jew and Gentile as we understand them today are not in the Hebrew or Greek.
The church is spiritual Israel according to the Bible. I just say what the Bible says and I believe the Bible. You can believe whatever you like, it is not worth arguing over.
That is good, but please provide a verse. Spiritualizing the bible destroys the message that God intended. There is never a need to spiritualize. It is most often done to makes sense of the bible in view of the world. The better way to understand God is to make the world fit the bible. When you get the correct people in the correct roles, there is no need for a spiritual Israel. Christ said that His Israel people follow Him and hear His voice. Who has done that for the last almost 2000 years?