I appreciate your church’s efforts. It’s how you speak of prayer as if it’s “sitting and bitching.”
Listen, I honestly think most peoples prayers can be described that way. I think for many people you could replace the word “pray” with “beg faithlessly” and for such people, perhaps the best way to effect change in the world is the direct approach.
But what the scriptures teach us is that there is another kind of faith that can effect immeasurably greater change in the world than any physical effort. The Israelites didn’t ban together with buckets to part the red sea. Peter didn’t use inflatable shoes to walk on water. Jesus didn’t raise Lazarus with a defibrillator.
Nothing wrong with using the law to effect positive change in the world. But there is another way to effect change that is infinitely more impactful and infinitely more rewarding. To know the difference is to know God.
The Bible doesn't command us to only pray, it commands us to take dominion
That amounts to Prayer < Prayer and action
At no point did I dismiss prayer or disparage it.
Faithfulness to Gods Word is not accomplished by prayer alone. Every example you just listed involved not only prayer, taking an action in faith with the exception of Jesus raising Lazarus. He, as God, commanded him to rise up after giving thanks to God the Father so the crowd would understand this was due to the Father always listening due to an intimate relationship with Jesus that no man shared. This is quite clear in the Greek. It's also a demonstration of Gods sovereignty over salvation. We are dead in our sins and God calls us to new life.
Nothing wrong with using the law to effect positive change in the world. But there is another way to effect change that is infinitely more impactful and infinitely more rewarding. To know the difference is to know God.
You seem to have zero familiarity with my position or my very prayerful church and our work. Our standard is Gods Word and Gods law. I'll respond as so.....
Nothing wrong with praying to effect positive change in the world. But there is a standard God commands us to PHYSICALLY implement (along with prayer) by taking dominion throughout the world to infinitely impact it & bless Gods people and the world as a whole. To know the difference is to know and love Gods Law and the Great Commission.
If you would have asked for clarification instead of coming out swinging and missing wildly with your personal jabs we would have both saved some time.
I appreciate your church’s efforts. It’s how you speak of prayer as if it’s “sitting and bitching.”
Listen, I honestly think most peoples prayers can be described that way. I think for many people you could replace the word “pray” with “beg faithlessly” and for such people, perhaps the best way to effect change in the world is the direct approach.
But what the scriptures teach us is that there is another kind of faith that can effect immeasurably greater change in the world than any physical effort. The Israelites didn’t ban together with buckets to part the red sea. Peter didn’t use inflatable shoes to walk on water. Jesus didn’t raise Lazarus with a defibrillator.
Nothing wrong with using the law to effect positive change in the world. But there is another way to effect change that is infinitely more impactful and infinitely more rewarding. To know the difference is to know God.
Go back to that comment. What's the first line?
That amounts to Prayer < Prayer and action
At no point did I dismiss prayer or disparage it.
Faithfulness to Gods Word is not accomplished by prayer alone. Every example you just listed involved not only prayer, taking an action in faith with the exception of Jesus raising Lazarus. He, as God, commanded him to rise up after giving thanks to God the Father so the crowd would understand this was due to the Father always listening due to an intimate relationship with Jesus that no man shared. This is quite clear in the Greek. It's also a demonstration of Gods sovereignty over salvation. We are dead in our sins and God calls us to new life.
You seem to have zero familiarity with my position or my very prayerful church and our work. Our standard is Gods Word and Gods law. I'll respond as so.....
If you would have asked for clarification instead of coming out swinging and missing wildly with your personal jabs we would have both saved some time.
Oh boy. You have a fine day, Counselor.