Trump's response is a typical "Fail Safe" response...milk toast! Abortion is murder and blatantly Unconstitutional! The baby has a beating heart, finger prints, pumping blood...it is a living human being with all the rights and Constitutional protections as any person living outside the mother's womb. Abortion in any circumstance is killing an innocent baby...plain and simple! We either have and obey our failing Constitution or we do not.
I know our Constitution is very weak in it's own right in the protection and guarantee of our God given rights, but it's what we have and should at minimum obey it and hold our elected leaders feet to the fire when they go against it...no matter who they are or the excuses they hide behind!
Recognizing the heart felt passion fueling this opinion.
Offering hopefully helpful feedback
Motivated by a desire to improve passionates ability to persuade others to agree with them.Typically, presenting an opinion as if its an established fact, what those who have studied Logic refer to as a "fallacy of assertion" is NOT persuasive unless "preaching to the choir" ie to people who are ALREADY persuaded.
When someone seeks to persuade by starting with "FACTS", especially facts based on ABSTRACTIONS like "our Constitution" or the bible, rather than engaging with them as a real person and seeking to understand their FEELINGS, that someone typically does far more harm than good.
Examples of harm include triggering poisonous emotions, creating toxic associations with positive things like our Constitution and the bible and hardening hearts.
In reality, FEELINGS do NOT care about your FACTS (until the person cares about you).
Pharisees approach == deployi the LAW and PUNISHMENT and FEAR
Christs approach == build a RELATIONSHIP based on True LOVE that transforms and motivates so the person listens to Him, wants to please Him and accepts His guidance.
Obviously, President Trump is a wise, courageously loving and Light Hearted human being. He's also a persuasion genius.
In 2016 he famously said in a tweet that Republicans did NOT know how to win (hearts and minds) but "I will teach them!"
As promised, he's been offering priceless lessons for free ever since.
Hopefully more and more people will accept rather than automatically reject what he's offering, really listen to what he's trying to tell them and start taking his words to heart.
Otherwise they'll continue to lose and others will continue to pay the costs.
Thanks for the input, but your way off base in your analysis of my approach to this subject.
If I was alone with an expectant mother, your approach...or some semblance of it...would be better for sure. I wouldn't attack an expectant, terrified mother who was the victim of rape or incest with my "corporate feelings about abortion." That would be cruel and inhuman.
However, that's not the situation here. I am talking to people who might take Trump's attitude toward abortion and how it fits or doesn't fit within the framework of our legal system and our Constitution. Not sure how you determine our Constitution and the Bible are ABSTRACTIONS? But I digress...
Anyway, it's really easy to use Jesus as some champion of all love and gush, gush...but this portrayal of the God/Man is actually quite Un-Biblical. Yes, Jesus was incarnate love...but he was also God and He dealt with corporate sin very passionately and in a very harsh way. To the woman caught in the act of adultery our Lord showed incarnate love and compassion never to be matched. He created this dear woman and loved her immensely. However, that same Jesus called the Jewish leaders of His day a "Brood of Vipers." (Matthew 3:7) and the Jewish money men Jesus used physical violence to drive them out of the synagogue! In fact, Jesus (because of the great sins of the entirety of Jerusalem) called the entire population of Jewry the Synagogue of Satan!. Jesus called them this in part because of their attitude toward the sin of sacrificing children to Molech. There's no difference between the Jews acceptance of sacrificing children to Molech than killing children in their mothers womb...you are still murdering a baby! He delt with the corporate evil with passion and forceful truth...not milk toast love as you would suggest I handle my passion against abortion and Trump's answer to it.
As a society, we need to tell the truth about abortion in technicolor. However, let me end with this...as evil as abortion is...the good news is that a mother's choosing to have an abortion is not looked upon by God as any worse than any other sin a person makes on any given day. The compassion of Christ comes in the wonderful truth that Jesus died and rose from the dead to free us from our sin (any and all sin) and all women can have the instant cleansing of Jesus from any sin including abortion.
Murder is the unlawful killing of a Natural Person.
A natural person being someone that was Born Naturally.
Since the time of Aristotle to the founding of this nation a fetus wasn't believed to be infused with a soul until the quickening. (4th month)
Even then it wasn't until the 1800's that abortion laws were being written and they were to protect the woman from a botched abortion in which she died, not the fetus.
"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." 1 Samuel 15:3
I say let Amalek smite themselves. They may be citizens but they are not my tribe or your tribe.
I will also point out that since before the Biblical flood Born Naturally children were sacrificed to Molech. Using your logic, because it's been done that way for most of history, it's ok? The word "Fetus" is used by the abortion industry and the medical establishment in order to take the humanity away from the child. A baby just becomes a lump of cells in the eyes of the unthinking public.
You can call the baby a fetus, or determine in your own mind that it has no rights and isn't part of humanity because it has not been born naturally, but this is just semantics...anyone whose seen the photos of an abortion or watched a baby in a sonagram knows it's a living human being...not some fetus waiting for it's humanity to be conferred upon "IT" when it is out of the womb. That whole argument is just either based on pure evil or pure ignorance!
Even state laws show the hypocrisy in this Natural Person argument when it determines it's ok for a doctor to murder the baby in the womb by chopping it up without any anesthesia, but if you cause and a vehicle accident that causes the death of the mother and her so called "fetus," you are charge with 2 counts of involuntary manslaughter. So, it's a person when the mother wants to keep it and it's not a person if she doesn't?
Here's what God says on the subject...
Psalm 139:13-16 ~ For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.
Jeremiah 1:5 ~ "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations."
I gave you legal definitions and some history. You gave me distortions and emotional appeals.
If you want to play these games where we imply what the other believes then let's play. We receive birth certificates, not conception certificates. If you want to place abortion on the same level as murder you have to inspect women monthly and issue conception certificates. When a miscarriage happens it will have to be investigated as a possible murder. That's your position, is it not? It should be. How else are you going to enforce such murder laws? Especially in the age of the internet and international travel? Do you enjoy invading people's privacy?
Keep in mind miscarriages are common and are often unnoticed. They also exceed the number of medically induced abortions...
Trump's response is a typical "Fail Safe" response...milk toast! Abortion is murder and blatantly Unconstitutional! The baby has a beating heart, finger prints, pumping blood...it is a living human being with all the rights and Constitutional protections as any person living outside the mother's womb. Abortion in any circumstance is killing an innocent baby...plain and simple! We either have and obey our failing Constitution or we do not.
I know our Constitution is very weak in it's own right in the protection and guarantee of our God given rights, but it's what we have and should at minimum obey it and hold our elected leaders feet to the fire when they go against it...no matter who they are or the excuses they hide behind!
Recognizing the heart felt passion fueling this opinion.
Offering hopefully helpful feedback
Motivated by a desire to improve passionates ability to persuade others to agree with them.Typically, presenting an opinion as if its an established fact, what those who have studied Logic refer to as a "fallacy of assertion" is NOT persuasive unless "preaching to the choir" ie to people who are ALREADY persuaded.
When someone seeks to persuade by starting with "FACTS", especially facts based on ABSTRACTIONS like "our Constitution" or the bible, rather than engaging with them as a real person and seeking to understand their FEELINGS, that someone typically does far more harm than good.
Examples of harm include triggering poisonous emotions, creating toxic associations with positive things like our Constitution and the bible and hardening hearts.
In reality, FEELINGS do NOT care about your FACTS (until the person cares about you).
Pharisees approach == deployi the LAW and PUNISHMENT and FEAR
Christs approach == build a RELATIONSHIP based on True LOVE that transforms and motivates so the person listens to Him, wants to please Him and accepts His guidance.
Obviously, President Trump is a wise, courageously loving and Light Hearted human being. He's also a persuasion genius.
In 2016 he famously said in a tweet that Republicans did NOT know how to win (hearts and minds) but "I will teach them!"
As promised, he's been offering priceless lessons for free ever since.
Hopefully more and more people will accept rather than automatically reject what he's offering, really listen to what he's trying to tell them and start taking his words to heart.
Otherwise they'll continue to lose and others will continue to pay the costs.
Thanks for the input, but your way off base in your analysis of my approach to this subject.
If I was alone with an expectant mother, your approach...or some semblance of it...would be better for sure. I wouldn't attack an expectant, terrified mother who was the victim of rape or incest with my "corporate feelings about abortion." That would be cruel and inhuman.
However, that's not the situation here. I am talking to people who might take Trump's attitude toward abortion and how it fits or doesn't fit within the framework of our legal system and our Constitution. Not sure how you determine our Constitution and the Bible are ABSTRACTIONS? But I digress...
Anyway, it's really easy to use Jesus as some champion of all love and gush, gush...but this portrayal of the God/Man is actually quite Un-Biblical. Yes, Jesus was incarnate love...but he was also God and He dealt with corporate sin very passionately and in a very harsh way. To the woman caught in the act of adultery our Lord showed incarnate love and compassion never to be matched. He created this dear woman and loved her immensely. However, that same Jesus called the Jewish leaders of His day a "Brood of Vipers." (Matthew 3:7) and the Jewish money men Jesus used physical violence to drive them out of the synagogue! In fact, Jesus (because of the great sins of the entirety of Jerusalem) called the entire population of Jewry the Synagogue of Satan!. Jesus called them this in part because of their attitude toward the sin of sacrificing children to Molech. There's no difference between the Jews acceptance of sacrificing children to Molech than killing children in their mothers womb...you are still murdering a baby! He delt with the corporate evil with passion and forceful truth...not milk toast love as you would suggest I handle my passion against abortion and Trump's answer to it.
As a society, we need to tell the truth about abortion in technicolor. However, let me end with this...as evil as abortion is...the good news is that a mother's choosing to have an abortion is not looked upon by God as any worse than any other sin a person makes on any given day. The compassion of Christ comes in the wonderful truth that Jesus died and rose from the dead to free us from our sin (any and all sin) and all women can have the instant cleansing of Jesus from any sin including abortion.
Murder is the unlawful killing of a Natural Person. A natural person being someone that was Born Naturally. Since the time of Aristotle to the founding of this nation a fetus wasn't believed to be infused with a soul until the quickening. (4th month) Even then it wasn't until the 1800's that abortion laws were being written and they were to protect the woman from a botched abortion in which she died, not the fetus.
"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." 1 Samuel 15:3
I say let Amalek smite themselves. They may be citizens but they are not my tribe or your tribe.
I will also point out that since before the Biblical flood Born Naturally children were sacrificed to Molech. Using your logic, because it's been done that way for most of history, it's ok? The word "Fetus" is used by the abortion industry and the medical establishment in order to take the humanity away from the child. A baby just becomes a lump of cells in the eyes of the unthinking public.
You can call the baby a fetus, or determine in your own mind that it has no rights and isn't part of humanity because it has not been born naturally, but this is just semantics...anyone whose seen the photos of an abortion or watched a baby in a sonagram knows it's a living human being...not some fetus waiting for it's humanity to be conferred upon "IT" when it is out of the womb. That whole argument is just either based on pure evil or pure ignorance!
Even state laws show the hypocrisy in this Natural Person argument when it determines it's ok for a doctor to murder the baby in the womb by chopping it up without any anesthesia, but if you cause and a vehicle accident that causes the death of the mother and her so called "fetus," you are charge with 2 counts of involuntary manslaughter. So, it's a person when the mother wants to keep it and it's not a person if she doesn't?
Here's what God says on the subject...
Psalm 139:13-16 ~ For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.
Jeremiah 1:5 ~ "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations."
"Using your logic"
No, you're not using my logic.
I gave you legal definitions and some history. You gave me distortions and emotional appeals.
If you want to play these games where we imply what the other believes then let's play. We receive birth certificates, not conception certificates. If you want to place abortion on the same level as murder you have to inspect women monthly and issue conception certificates. When a miscarriage happens it will have to be investigated as a possible murder. That's your position, is it not? It should be. How else are you going to enforce such murder laws? Especially in the age of the internet and international travel? Do you enjoy invading people's privacy?
Keep in mind miscarriages are common and are often unnoticed. They also exceed the number of medically induced abortions...