That is just false reasoning.
More empty space does not equal more chances of there being other life forms.
Plus at some point the vastness of space would mean it no longer matters if there is life out there. There would be no way to make contact. Unless there was some sort of extra dimensional travel.
Then we are right back to Haven and Hell.
This isn't supposed to be complicated. Maybe stretch your thinking this way:
The bigger the universe, the more room for galaxies; the more galaxies, the more stars; the more stars, the more planets; the more planets, the more chance of there being some with the ideal conditions for, say, carbon-based intelligent life. It's rare to get the entire set of all those conditions. But there are also trillions of galaxies.
The odds of our "finding" these planets and their inhabitants are separate from and lower than the odds of their existence, which are virtually 100% IMHO.
It is they who have found us.
And, considering that some civilizations may be millions or billions of years more advanced than our own, it's not a stretch to consider that they've figured out non-linear travel by now. Maybe even how to get from A to B instantaneously. (There's no need to move at the speed of light when you're not covering linear distances. Plus, the ability to travel at the speed of light isn't even any great help when the galaxy you want to visit is 50,000 or 100,000 light years away.)
Okay, so we are talking about some kind of extra dimensional travel.
That is exactly what I was talking about.
Just because I believe there is a God does not mean I believe in religion.
Religion is just a box that has been created to control the idea of God.
If God is real as I believe and Jesus is the son of God I have no choice but to believe there is a way to instantly travel from one point to another.
If God is real as I believe and Jesus is the son of God I have no choice but to believe there is a way to instantly travel from one point to another.
I'm not labeling this 'faulty logic' just because I don't get the connection
We must be operating in two different logical paradigms
I'm not an atheist, but in the logical paradigm I'm using, an atheist could say 'Even though I don't believe in an invisible Sky Guy who grants wishes and sired a human child via a talking bird and used a virgin's womb for gestation, I could believe there is a way to instantly travel from one point to another.'
The disciples were in a locked room. Suddenly, Jesus appeared in the middle of the group.
John 20:19-19
In another verse
Suddenly an angel of the Lord appeared and a light shone in the locked cell He struck Peter on the side and woke him up. "Quick, get up" he said and the chains fell off Peter's wrists.
Acts 12:7
The Bible suggests that there is someway to travel that is outside our 3 dimensions. That travel allows for someone to just appear in a 3 dimensional world in a locked room which should be impossible.
There is a highly likely possibility that our 3 dimensions might only be a very minor part of all creation.
Some scientist have suggested that there could be 11 or more dimensions. What we understand as all things is just the fringe of reality. That is of course just a theory but it is worth considering.
My point is this. People hear the word, "God" and assume religion. I understand God as Spirit. That is outside of our 3 dimensions.
We can know him by touching other dimensions. Evil is also within our ability to know. The bible shows the path to know God. Or if you will the path to touch other dimensions. We can seek Him or not, that is our choice.
That is not seeking some magic guy in the sky. This nonsense about granting wishes is just that, religious nonsense.
Jesus was quite clear that if we follow Him we will face persecution. All we are promised is that if we seek Him we will find Him.
Seeking the truth is something the world does not want. So the world will persecute anyone that sets his heart on seeking truth.
This persecution weeds out those that do not really want to find God. They want their wishes granted as you have so rightly pointed out. They will seek religion and then claim that religion is all there is.
Consider evil, do we believe that evil exist? If there is no God there is no evil. There is only self interest. Humans are no different than any other animal.
It is your choice and my choice to seek God. He has promised that if we do with all our hearts we will find Him. He has also let us know that it will cost everything that we have.
God offers Himself freely to any that seek Him. Still that free gift will cost you everything you are.
The Ultimate reward is to know God. That is what we were create for. That is were we find life.
Religion has twisted that truth. That does not invalidate the truth.
That is just false reasoning. More empty space does not equal more chances of there being other life forms. Plus at some point the vastness of space would mean it no longer matters if there is life out there. There would be no way to make contact. Unless there was some sort of extra dimensional travel. Then we are right back to Haven and Hell.
This isn't supposed to be complicated. Maybe stretch your thinking this way:
The bigger the universe, the more room for galaxies; the more galaxies, the more stars; the more stars, the more planets; the more planets, the more chance of there being some with the ideal conditions for, say, carbon-based intelligent life. It's rare to get the entire set of all those conditions. But there are also trillions of galaxies.
The odds of our "finding" these planets and their inhabitants are separate from and lower than the odds of their existence, which are virtually 100% IMHO.
It is they who have found us.
And, considering that some civilizations may be millions or billions of years more advanced than our own, it's not a stretch to consider that they've figured out non-linear travel by now. Maybe even how to get from A to B instantaneously. (There's no need to move at the speed of light when you're not covering linear distances. Plus, the ability to travel at the speed of light isn't even any great help when the galaxy you want to visit is 50,000 or 100,000 light years away.)
Okay, so we are talking about some kind of extra dimensional travel. That is exactly what I was talking about.
Just because I believe there is a God does not mean I believe in religion. Religion is just a box that has been created to control the idea of God. If God is real as I believe and Jesus is the son of God I have no choice but to believe there is a way to instantly travel from one point to another.
I'm not labeling this 'faulty logic' just because I don't get the connection
We must be operating in two different logical paradigms
I'm not an atheist, but in the logical paradigm I'm using, an atheist could say 'Even though I don't believe in an invisible Sky Guy who grants wishes and sired a human child via a talking bird and used a virgin's womb for gestation, I could believe there is a way to instantly travel from one point to another.'
The bible suggests other dimensions. 2 examples
The disciples were in a locked room. Suddenly, Jesus appeared in the middle of the group.
John 20:19-19
In another verse
Suddenly an angel of the Lord appeared and a light shone in the locked cell He struck Peter on the side and woke him up. "Quick, get up" he said and the chains fell off Peter's wrists.
Acts 12:7
The Bible suggests that there is someway to travel that is outside our 3 dimensions. That travel allows for someone to just appear in a 3 dimensional world in a locked room which should be impossible.
There is a highly likely possibility that our 3 dimensions might only be a very minor part of all creation.
Some scientist have suggested that there could be 11 or more dimensions. What we understand as all things is just the fringe of reality. That is of course just a theory but it is worth considering.
My point is this. People hear the word, "God" and assume religion. I understand God as Spirit. That is outside of our 3 dimensions.
We can know him by touching other dimensions. Evil is also within our ability to know. The bible shows the path to know God. Or if you will the path to touch other dimensions. We can seek Him or not, that is our choice.
That is not seeking some magic guy in the sky. This nonsense about granting wishes is just that, religious nonsense.
Jesus was quite clear that if we follow Him we will face persecution. All we are promised is that if we seek Him we will find Him.
Seeking the truth is something the world does not want. So the world will persecute anyone that sets his heart on seeking truth.
This persecution weeds out those that do not really want to find God. They want their wishes granted as you have so rightly pointed out. They will seek religion and then claim that religion is all there is.
Consider evil, do we believe that evil exist? If there is no God there is no evil. There is only self interest. Humans are no different than any other animal.
It is your choice and my choice to seek God. He has promised that if we do with all our hearts we will find Him. He has also let us know that it will cost everything that we have. God offers Himself freely to any that seek Him. Still that free gift will cost you everything you are. The Ultimate reward is to know God. That is what we were create for. That is were we find life.
Religion has twisted that truth. That does not invalidate the truth.
In a spiritually livened body.
Quickened with spirit not blood.