I came across some interesting court cases recently.
1787 -- The Constitution for the United States of America is written.
1819 -- Just 32 years later, while James Madision, John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson were all still alive, the Massachusetts Supreme Court said there were only citizens of the states:
The term, “citizens of the United States,” must be understood to intend those who were citizens of a state, as such, after the Union had commenced, and the several states had assumed their sovereignties. Before this period there were no citizens of the United States. Manchester v. Boston, Massachusetts Reports, Vol. 16, Page 235 (1819)
1821 -- Two years later, a federal court said a citizen of one state is a citizen of the other states, as well:
“A citizen of one state is to be considered as a citizen of every other state in the union.” Butler v. Farnsworth, Federal Cases, Vol. 4, Page 902 (1821)
1855 -- No such thing as “citizen of the United States”
“A citizen of any one of the States of the Union, is held to be, and called a citizen of the United States, although technically and abstractly there is no such thing. To conceive a citizen of the United States who is not a citizen of some one of the States, is totally foreign to the idea, and inconsistent with the proper construction and common understanding of the expression as used in the Constitution, which must be deduced from its various other provisions.” Ex parte Frank Knowles, California Reports, Vol. 5, Page 302 (1855)
1868 -- 14th Amendment adopted. In the main body of the US Constitution, anyplace where “Citizen” was written, the word was capitalized. Starting with the 14th Amendment, and all amendments thereafter, the word “citizen” was lower-case. Interesting.
1873 -- Just 5 years after the adoption of the 14th Amendment, federal courts said this:
The term resident and citizen of the United States is distinguished from a Citizen of one of the several states, in that the former is a special class of citizen created by Congress. U.S. v. Anthony 24 Fed. 829 (1873)
1875 -- 2 years after that, we have the US Supreme Court stating:
We have in our political system a government of the United States and a government of each of the several States. Each one of these governments is distinct from the others, and each has citizens of its own. United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875)
1883 -- 8 years later, the Indiana Supreme Court said:
One may be a citizen of a State and yet not a citizen of the United States. McDonel v. The State, 90 Ind. 320 (1883)
1906 -- US Supreme Court (this case has never been overturned, and has been cited by other courts over 1,600 times, making it one of the most authoritative court cases in American law):
The individual may stand upon his Constitutional Rights as a Citizen. He is entitled to carry on his private business in his own way. His power to contract is unlimited. He owes no duty to the State or to his neighbors to divulge his business, or to open his doors to an investigation, so far as it may tend to incriminate him. He owes no duty to the State, since he receives nothing there from, beyond the protection of his life and property. His rights are such as existed by the Law of the Land (Common Law) long antecedent to the organization of the State, and can only be taken from him by due process of law, and in accordance with the Constitution. He owes nothing to the public so long as he does not trespass upon their rights. Hale v. Henkel 201 U.S. 43 at 89 (1906)
1908 -- Florida Supreme Court, citing previous US Supreme Court rulings:
It is the duty of all officials whether legislative, judicial, executive, administrative, or ministerial to so perform every official act so as not to violate constitutional provisions. a. Inasmuch as every government is an artificial person, an abstraction, and a creature of the mind only, a government can interface only with other artificial persons. The imaginary, having neither actuality nor substance, is foreclosed from creating and attaining parity with the tangible. The legal manifestation of this is that no government, as well as any law, agency, aspect, court, etc. can concern itself with anything other than corporate, artificial persons and the contracts between them. S.C.R. 1795, Penhallow v. Doane’s Administrators 3 U.S. 54; 1 L.Ed. 57; 3 Dall. 54; and, b. the contracts between them involve U.S. citizens, which are deemed as Corporate Entities: c. Therefore, the U.S. citizens residing in one of the states of the union, are classified as property and franchises of the federal government as an individual entity, Wheeling Steel Corp. v. Fox, 298 U.S. 193, 80 L.Ed. 1143, 56 S.Ct. 773 Montgomery v State 55 Fla. 97
1927 -- California Supreme Court:
there is a citizenship of the United States and citizenship of a state,” Tashiro v. Jordan, 201 Cal. 236 (1927)
1953 -- Federal Court:
A citizen of the United States is a citizen of the federal government Kitchens v. Steele, 112 F.Supp 383 (1953)
1958 -- US Supreme Court:
The constitutional theory is that we the people are the sovereigns, the state and federal officials only our agents. Cooper v. Aaron, 358 U.S. 1 (1958)
1968 -- District Court in Puerto Rico, citing US Supreme Court (natural, fundamental rights do not belong to US citizens):
Defendants’ error lies in assuming that the right to vote is an essential right of citizenship. The only absolute and unqualified right of citizenship is to residence within the territorial boundaries of the United States. US vs. Valentine 288 F. Supp. 957 [see: Balzac v. People of Puerto Rico, 258 US 298]
1993 - District Court case:
The privileges and immunities clause of the 14th Amendment protects very few rights because it neither incorporates the Bill of Rights, nor protects all rights of individual citizens. Instead this provision protects only those rights peculiar to being a citizen of the federal government; it does not protect those rights which relate to state citizenship. Jones v. Temmer, 89 F. Supp 1226
How to make sense of it all?
1776:
When the Declaration of Independence was signed, the 13 British colonies in America became free and independent States, on equal footing with all other countries of the world.
The People in each of these 13 States/countries wrote their own constitution, identifying the powers of their State governments, and limiting the authority of their government, while also prohibiting their government from violating the fundamental rights of the People in the State.
1787:
The People, via their representatives in Congress, assembled, wrote a new constitution to create a 14th government (“federal government”) to grant certain powers to it for a more efficient overall government experience. This federal government was granted certain powers that would apply within the States, such as regulating foreign commerce, but only the powers enumerated. In addition, this document had a clause giving the federal government exclusive jurisdiction over the federal territories (powers beyond what was enumerated). So, the enumerated powers apply to the States, but all other powers ONLY apply to the federal territories and enclaves (military bases).
1819:
The courts were already recognizing that there could be a confusion with the term “citizen of the United States.” They were clarifying that this term meant a “citizen of a particular State, and by means of that, also a citizen of THESE States, united.” But, there was NO SUCH THING as a “citizen of the United States, as in the federal government.”
1868:
The 14th Amendment had a tricky clause, which created (or became construed as creating) a new class of citizenship, which was federal and NOT state.
Early 20th Century:
The courts were still recognizing that We the People, as individuals, have natural rights that the government (state or federal) cannot violate. But there was also a movement hidden in the shadows trying to pervert this idea. This was the time of the income tax and Federal Reserve creation (unconstitutional, btw).
Mid-20th Century:
The courts were recognizing these two competing ideas. There were those who were trying to trick everyone into thinking they were “US citizens” and at the same time not revealing that to be one of these, one would give up their natural rights. At the same time, some courts were reasserting the original concept, so as to remind Americans who they are (members of the sovereign class, and not subjects of the government, ruled over by a higher class -- which does not exist, in reality).
Current times:
Only people who have familiarized themselves with the REAL LAW of the United States of America (meaning, all the case law about this subject) understand that they are not citizens of an inferior class. However, the propaganda has been so strong, that these people are looked at by everyone else (myself included, until recently) … as crazy.
But really, who is crazy? Those who understand they are of the class of people who created the government, or those who believe they are inferior subjects who must do anything a government employee demands of them?
Food for thought.
If SovCits are who Anons are, I need to walk away.
No, not SovCits, we're citizens who are sovereigns. We deign to permit our public servants to continue serving at our pleasure, as we instruct them and also structure our lives sovereignly to minimize detriments of their incompetence.
You reject the notion that you are subject to law while demanding your rights under law are protected. The flat earthers of civics.
You're thinking of SovCits.
Romans 13 says to be subject to the governing authorities generally, while Acts 4 and 5 say the exception is conscience. We follow all laws with this one exception; I said nothing about breaking any law. However, the boundary when a sovereign decides to engage peaceful civil disobedience is decided by each sovereign.
Acts 4 and 5 is some powerful stuff.
Still, considering the posts I am seeing here lately on many subjects, I see it is time for me to walk away.
"SovCit" is another psyop meant to lead people down the wrong path and fuck themselves over legally by getting labeled a terrorist.
Understanding what true "Citizenship" means in relation to sovereign States vs the "United States" is just basic civics.
Using a ready made label with built in bias is a good sign you've been brainwashed.
It happens to us all, otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess, just be aware of this element and it will help you find your blindspots.
When fools consider themselves above the law the label is appropriate.
When the time comes that elections are illegitimate and the law is beyond tolerance, in other words when actual tyranny is ruling, take up arms. Don't go to traffic court claiming the law does not apply to you because you are reciting magic incantations about commercial law.
What would you call it when all "the law" does not apply to the sovereign? In these United States the sovereign is the people (State citizens) not the federal (US citizen) For example, I do not think anyone said you cannot pay income tax if you want to, go ahead. Just that "the law" used to require it does not apply to a State citizen. Another discussion can be that the only real Law is God's law not mankind's.