I'm not sure if that's true at all. The Source of All Things is the Source. There is nothing that is not already, and eternally, fundamentally connected to Source. The concept of "ownership" doesn't really apply in any meaningful (distinctive) way.
Ownership is a construct of the individual person (this piece of bread is mine, this fishing pole is mine, etc.), and by extension a social construct (we agree the bread is yours, we disagree about the fishing pole, etc.). It doesn't really have meaning outside of those scopes.
your perspective is very relatable to me, fren. but God is a person. not a human, but still a person. this has been a fairly recent realization for me, as well.
Exodus 19:5: "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:"
Psalms 24:1: "A Psalm of David. The earth is the LORD's, and the fullness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein."
You are welcome to think that. But how could the Source be an individual entity? Nothing can possibly be separate from That Which Is, so how can it be "individual" in the way we understand the term?
If you mean you think that the Source is YHWH I suggest you do a deep dive into how Christianity came to be, what Jesus really had to say on the topic, what the Jews really did to bring about today's religions, etc. There is so much more to that story than you will find in the Bible, which was created (in the version we have today) by people who murdered anyone who disagreed with their version of that religion (see the Codex Theodosianus e.g.).
our persons may not be truly separate, but they are distinct.
We're One, but were not the same -- Bono.
Yes, I agree. Both true, just different scopes of the same truth.
surely you can also afford it to the source of all things
But that is what I'm saying. NOTHING can be separate from Source. But, the Source is the Source of Everything. We are all Children of God (Source).
The Source is not "individual" because the Source itself is equally the Source of All Things. Nothing is "less" Source, or "more" Source. It's just Source. How could it be any different?
I think there are plenty of Derivatives of Source. I think you are mistakenly confusing certain powerful derivatives (Children) as Source itself. I think certain such derivatives have purposefully set up the situation so that we would mistake them as Source, pretenders to the throne.
Have you actually read the things that YWHW condones and encourages (murder, genocide, incest, child sacrifice, slavery, etc., etc.)? He created all the people, why does he have a chosen race? Why is he a "he" at all? He created all the earth, why does he have a "promised land?" Why does the Bible itself say that he is a Son of El, the "Most High" (Deut 32:8)? It actually says that in numerous places in the Bible, although only in that one rewritten section is it so overt. Why was that rewritten in the 400(ish) AD version of the Bible? Why was that rewritten in the Masoretic Texts? In other words, why did both the Jewish Bible and the Christian Bible agree on their revision, done centuries after the death of Jesus. Why was owning all older versions of those texts punishable by death? Why did the Jewish and Christian versions agree?!?
Who was really behind the revision? What economic and political influences did the Jews have in the Constantine Court? (Dig into it.)
There is so much to find, so many questions that need to be looked into.
The Source of All Things is in all of us. We are all Derivatives from Source (Children of God). I suggest what you call "God" has an awful lot of evidence to suggest that he is himself derivative. I think that an application of a modicum of logical thinking produces the same conclusion.
I suggest that "God" may not be what you think he is.
Lol. You have no idea what kind of deep dives I have done. I can absolutely assure you that God is a person. Jesus held that opinion as well.
You may find the book series "conversations with God" interesting. I think it would appeal to your perspective.
by the way, the letters Y H V H are representative of four levels of reality that form the body of God. It is not just some name assigned as part of a mythology, it is a description of the laws of reality that will be studied and hold true into the far future. for eternity, to be exact.
Don't try to outsmart the Bible, fren. Only try to understand it.
Don't try to outsmart the Bible, fren. Only try to understand it.
How can one even respond to that? Apparently you aren't willing to have a conversation in earnest about this. You already "know the truth."
I spent 30 years of my life studying the Bible. Then I spent a couple years learning where it actually came from (the people who currently own the whole world). I looked into how Christianity (today's version) really came to be. Your ideas of what Jesus thought do not take into account other sources of his words (what are inappropriately called "gnostic gospels" which is a phrase exactly the same as "conspiracy theorist" designed to ensure that people do not look too closely at certain things).
Owning a copy of those "gnostic gospels" was punishable by death enforced by the same exact people who wrote the Bible version you believe contains "the truth." That is why so few of those works exist today.
the letters Y H V H are representative of four levels of reality that form the body of God
This is exactly the type of claptrap nonsense that sells so well to those who think they've tapped into "the Divine" when what they are actually doing is succumbing to Jewish propaganda.
You didn't even address what I said, or answer the question I posed.
How can the Source of All Things possibly be separate from That Which Is (all of us, the Universe, the multiverse maybe, the realm of Mind or Spiritual Realm maybe, etc.). It's the Source. Everything is derivative from Source. That's what the phrase "Source of All Things" means.
I think there is a common confusion between what is meant by "the Source," and other entities which are derivative from Source. For example, I think the creator of this realm (what we call "the universe," or maybe just this planet) is likely a real individual entity (what you call "God"). It could be that the Creator was an alien (as we understand the term, i.e. from another planet in this universe) and the act of "Creation" was more appropriately the act of Terraforming (a Martian Elon Musk variant created us). Or it could be that "God" (the individual) is an extradimensional being of some sort akin to the common trope of "the first children of Source" like El and Asherah e.g. In such a Scenario the act of Creation would be more profound than terraforming, but still not an intentional act of Source, but an intentional act of a derivative of Source. It could be that the act of Creation came from Source itself, but then, all of "Creation" would be just the Creation of Source Itself in a new (whimsical?) form.
In all but the last scenario, any entity that did the Creation is itself derivative from Source. Nothing can be truly separate from Source. It doesn't make any sense to even make the statement that a thing can be. So if what you call "God" is an individual, in some meaningfully separate way, then it itself is derivative from Source (a "Child of God"), just like you and me.
I'm not sure if that's true at all. The Source of All Things is the Source. There is nothing that is not already, and eternally, fundamentally connected to Source. The concept of "ownership" doesn't really apply in any meaningful (distinctive) way.
Ownership is a construct of the individual person (this piece of bread is mine, this fishing pole is mine, etc.), and by extension a social construct (we agree the bread is yours, we disagree about the fishing pole, etc.). It doesn't really have meaning outside of those scopes.
your perspective is very relatable to me, fren. but God is a person. not a human, but still a person. this has been a fairly recent realization for me, as well.
Exodus 19:5: "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:"
Psalms 24:1: "A Psalm of David. The earth is the LORD's, and the fullness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein."
You are welcome to think that. But how could the Source be an individual entity? Nothing can possibly be separate from That Which Is, so how can it be "individual" in the way we understand the term?
If you mean you think that the Source is YHWH I suggest you do a deep dive into how Christianity came to be, what Jesus really had to say on the topic, what the Jews really did to bring about today's religions, etc. There is so much more to that story than you will find in the Bible, which was created (in the version we have today) by people who murdered anyone who disagreed with their version of that religion (see the Codex Theodosianus e.g.).
here is another angle that helped me.
you talk like a seeker. so perhaps you know that everything you experience is a reflection of yourself.
I reflect some part of your being back to you, just as you refect some part of my being back to me, and all is one.
i know this is true. and yet, even though i know you are a reflection of me, i also recognize and respect that you have your own personhood.
our persons may not be truly separate, but they are distinct.
if you can afford that recognition to this humble reflection, surely you can also afford it to the source of all things.
We're One, but were not the same -- Bono.
Yes, I agree. Both true, just different scopes of the same truth.
But that is what I'm saying. NOTHING can be separate from Source. But, the Source is the Source of Everything. We are all Children of God (Source).
The Source is not "individual" because the Source itself is equally the Source of All Things. Nothing is "less" Source, or "more" Source. It's just Source. How could it be any different?
I think there are plenty of Derivatives of Source. I think you are mistakenly confusing certain powerful derivatives (Children) as Source itself. I think certain such derivatives have purposefully set up the situation so that we would mistake them as Source, pretenders to the throne.
Have you actually read the things that YWHW condones and encourages (murder, genocide, incest, child sacrifice, slavery, etc., etc.)? He created all the people, why does he have a chosen race? Why is he a "he" at all? He created all the earth, why does he have a "promised land?" Why does the Bible itself say that he is a Son of El, the "Most High" (Deut 32:8)? It actually says that in numerous places in the Bible, although only in that one rewritten section is it so overt. Why was that rewritten in the 400(ish) AD version of the Bible? Why was that rewritten in the Masoretic Texts? In other words, why did both the Jewish Bible and the Christian Bible agree on their revision, done centuries after the death of Jesus. Why was owning all older versions of those texts punishable by death? Why did the Jewish and Christian versions agree?!?
Who was really behind the revision? What economic and political influences did the Jews have in the Constantine Court? (Dig into it.)
There is so much to find, so many questions that need to be looked into.
The Source of All Things is in all of us. We are all Derivatives from Source (Children of God). I suggest what you call "God" has an awful lot of evidence to suggest that he is himself derivative. I think that an application of a modicum of logical thinking produces the same conclusion.
I suggest that "God" may not be what you think he is.
Lol. You have no idea what kind of deep dives I have done. I can absolutely assure you that God is a person. Jesus held that opinion as well.
You may find the book series "conversations with God" interesting. I think it would appeal to your perspective.
by the way, the letters Y H V H are representative of four levels of reality that form the body of God. It is not just some name assigned as part of a mythology, it is a description of the laws of reality that will be studied and hold true into the far future. for eternity, to be exact.
Don't try to outsmart the Bible, fren. Only try to understand it.
https://www.law-of-attraction-haven.com/support-files/cwg-1.pdf
How can one even respond to that? Apparently you aren't willing to have a conversation in earnest about this. You already "know the truth."
I spent 30 years of my life studying the Bible. Then I spent a couple years learning where it actually came from (the people who currently own the whole world). I looked into how Christianity (today's version) really came to be. Your ideas of what Jesus thought do not take into account other sources of his words (what are inappropriately called "gnostic gospels" which is a phrase exactly the same as "conspiracy theorist" designed to ensure that people do not look too closely at certain things).
Owning a copy of those "gnostic gospels" was punishable by death enforced by the same exact people who wrote the Bible version you believe contains "the truth." That is why so few of those works exist today.
This is exactly the type of claptrap nonsense that sells so well to those who think they've tapped into "the Divine" when what they are actually doing is succumbing to Jewish propaganda.
You didn't even address what I said, or answer the question I posed.
How can the Source of All Things possibly be separate from That Which Is (all of us, the Universe, the multiverse maybe, the realm of Mind or Spiritual Realm maybe, etc.). It's the Source. Everything is derivative from Source. That's what the phrase "Source of All Things" means.
I think there is a common confusion between what is meant by "the Source," and other entities which are derivative from Source. For example, I think the creator of this realm (what we call "the universe," or maybe just this planet) is likely a real individual entity (what you call "God"). It could be that the Creator was an alien (as we understand the term, i.e. from another planet in this universe) and the act of "Creation" was more appropriately the act of Terraforming (a Martian Elon Musk variant created us). Or it could be that "God" (the individual) is an extradimensional being of some sort akin to the common trope of "the first children of Source" like El and Asherah e.g. In such a Scenario the act of Creation would be more profound than terraforming, but still not an intentional act of Source, but an intentional act of a derivative of Source. It could be that the act of Creation came from Source itself, but then, all of "Creation" would be just the Creation of Source Itself in a new (whimsical?) form.
In all but the last scenario, any entity that did the Creation is itself derivative from Source. Nothing can be truly separate from Source. It doesn't make any sense to even make the statement that a thing can be. So if what you call "God" is an individual, in some meaningfully separate way, then it itself is derivative from Source (a "Child of God"), just like you and me.