The Romans Road
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Babies don't do those things. To hold a toddler liable for lying and stealing under pain of eternal damnation is retarded. It's the most unjust thing I have ever heard of. What can they possibly do that is that bad?
@UltraMagaOK, your concern about original sin and its impact on newborns is understandable. The doctrine of original sin can indeed seem harsh at first glance. However, it's important to remember a few things from a theological perspective:
Human Nature: The concept of original sin doesn't mean that newborns are guilty of specific sins like lying or stealing. Instead, it points to the inherent human tendency towards sin, which we can observe in how children naturally exhibit selfish behaviors.
Age of Accountability: Many Christians believe in an age of accountability, where young children are seen as innocent and not held accountable for their actions until they reach an age where they can understand right and wrong (See below verses).
Redemption and Grace: The core of Christianity is the belief that Jesus Christ came to redeem humanity from sin. This includes the effects of original sin. God's grace is abundant, and children are often seen under His special care and mercy.
Parental Guidance: Parents play a crucial role in guiding their children towards understanding moral and ethical behavior. Teaching children to tell the truth and respect others is part of nurturing their growth and countering the natural inclinations towards selfishness.
@GMFactual, you raised a good point about whether we have to teach children to lie or steal. It seems that these behaviors come naturally, which aligns with the biblical view of a sinful nature. However, teaching them not to do these things is part of our responsibility as parents and guardians.
Here are 2 verses that point to the idea of the "Age of Accountability"
Deuteronomy 1:39 (NIV)
Isaiah 7:15-16 (NIV)
I think no amount of lying and stealing throughout a finite life warrants infinite punishment. It's very far from kind and loving. This god is sick.
I get where you’re coming from, and it’s definitely a tough concept to wrap your head around. The idea of eternal punishment for finite actions can seem really harsh, especially when we think about it from our human perspective.
It’s not just about individual acts like lying or stealing. Sin, in the Christian view, is more about being separated from a perfectly holy God. Since God is infinitely holy, even the smallest sin is a big deal in that context.
From our standpoint, eternal punishment seems overkill. But God’s sense of justice is perfect and way beyond what we can fully grasp. His understanding of sin’s impact is on a cosmic level that we can't always see.
God gave us free will to choose Him or not. Hell is seen not just as punishment but as a consequence of choosing to live apart from God. It’s like God respects our choices to the point that He lets us decide our eternal destiny.
The core of Christianity is that God provided a way out through Jesus. Jesus’ death and resurrection offer a way to reconcile with God, highlighting His love and mercy. Salvation is a free gift available to everyone who wants it.
The Bible says God doesn’t want anyone to perish but wants everyone to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9). He offers salvation to all, which shows His loving and kind nature.
I hope this gives you a different perspective. It’s definitely a challenging topic, but it’s worth exploring further. Thanks for the thoughtful discussion!
You can say it's perfect but I'm not buying it.
What person can steal and lie their entire life I never be held accountable. you’re OK with that?
so you’re OK with the DNC line to everybody every day while they’re on the campaign trail?
You’re OK with people loading and stealing from stores and places like California and Chicago, without any consequences?
People can sit with impunity and never be held accountable?
This is something that Satan would say. I’m not your father, and that’s who you listen to. How sad is that?
You have an opportunity right now to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. You now know the truth, and now it’s your choice. 🤷♀️
God doesn’t owe us anything, but he gave us everything.
Yeah, "held accountable" - for all eternity. For misdemeanors and non-crimes. Yuck. It's dumb and obviously not real. It is made only to control us.
My point is this: The child already has evil in mind you must teach them not to be. Before they understand the concept of free will they will be judged with understanding of their ignorance. Not holding someone who knows good and evil who chooses evil in unjust without damnation the world is unjust.
That's not evil. The god who would damn people for frivolous bad behavior is evil.
It's not about frivolous bad behavior. Ultimately, it's about rejecting Him. The lying and stealing is just a symptom of separation from God. Your creator. He gave you the right and the ability to reject Him, but it is to your peril.
How could someone who created the entire universe be so petty and dumb? You have been fooled by people who want to control you. A serious psychedelic trip under optimal circumstances will show you more of the nature of reality than any religion ever could.