I’m guessing by your one word answer you disagree with it, but asked because the verses I’ve seen used to support Trinitarianism don’t seem to rule it out (an example: [1]), and it does resolve some major conflicts with bringing the other two Abrahamics to understanding of Christ, while trinitarian concept doesn’t seem to add anything toward salvation.
If trinitarian doctrine doesn’t add anything toward salvation, and does create a stumbling block that prevents others from coming to understanding of Christ, which it almost did for me in my youth as well, shouldn’t it be avoided?
“It’s just one of God’s mysteries”, which is what I’ve always heard, is a bad explanation. It comes off as “I don’t have an answer, and am not going to indicate that I’ll get you one”, or “I don’t know and want to retain my air of authority”, or worse, which isn’t good.
“Air of Authority”? What an odd phrase.
None of this is to say anything is wrong or right, just that I’ve never understood why something that doesn’t appear to be involved in the process of salvation, isn’t crystal clear, is difficult or impossible to fully explain, and isn’t explicitly scriptural to the best of my knowledge, is so insistently put forth as a key part of coming into faith. The only place it seems somewhat relevant is in baptism, but even there the meaning of the verse could be something else.
I accept that I’m off the beaten dogmatic path with all this, but the path that we’ve been on has led us into widespread transgenderism, invasion, poisoning, and communism, which are all biblical curses and oppression of foreign gods, so everything is humbly and justifiably up for inspection as to what we did wrong. Only the scriptures and Adonai hold fast.
I didn’t mean to imply that they were. I meant to say that we are here, and every part of the path is how we got here, … “so everything is humbly and justifiably up for inspection”
"The forgotten Trinity" by Dr James White.
The trinity is most certainly not forgotten. It is spoken about often, consistently, and universally assumed to be true. Again, I am not saying it is false, but that in spite of having been preached to me my whole life, it neither makes total sense nor is scripturally explicit in either the New or Old Testaments, and that it is inarguably a stumbling block for many, many people in coming to Christ (Islam and Judaism both reject Christianity in no small part due to it)
If it takes an entire book to convince someone of it, when it should be simple and plainly stated enough for everyone to just understand it, and when it was not an explicitly stated understanding among the apostles at Jesus’ time, I feel like asking why we push it so hard is a very fair question. I don’t believe it’s the biggest issue out there, you are correct that child sacrifice and I would add - widespread flesh mutilation - both have to be stopped, I’m just saying it seems fair, and maybe even a good idea, to have it on the list for open-minded review.
Basically, when you get lost in the woods, you retrace your steps to try and get back out, and Trinitarian doctrine wasn’t around until .. the exact date is unclear but at least 150 years or so after Christ, and possibly Nicea or the 1200’s as an explicit doctrine.
You familiar with Unitarianism?
Yes
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I’m guessing by your one word answer you disagree with it, but asked because the verses I’ve seen used to support Trinitarianism don’t seem to rule it out (an example: [1]), and it does resolve some major conflicts with bringing the other two Abrahamics to understanding of Christ, while trinitarian concept doesn’t seem to add anything toward salvation.
If trinitarian doctrine doesn’t add anything toward salvation, and does create a stumbling block that prevents others from coming to understanding of Christ, which it almost did for me in my youth as well, shouldn’t it be avoided?
“It’s just one of God’s mysteries”, which is what I’ve always heard, is a bad explanation. It comes off as “I don’t have an answer, and am not going to indicate that I’ll get you one”, or “I don’t know and want to retain my air of authority”, or worse, which isn’t good.
“Air of Authority”? What an odd phrase.
None of this is to say anything is wrong or right, just that I’ve never understood why something that doesn’t appear to be involved in the process of salvation, isn’t crystal clear, is difficult or impossible to fully explain, and isn’t explicitly scriptural to the best of my knowledge, is so insistently put forth as a key part of coming into faith. The only place it seems somewhat relevant is in baptism, but even there the meaning of the verse could be something else.
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I accept that I’m off the beaten dogmatic path with all this, but the path that we’ve been on has led us into widespread transgenderism, invasion, poisoning, and communism, which are all biblical curses and oppression of foreign gods, so everything is humbly and justifiably up for inspection as to what we did wrong. Only the scriptures and Adonai hold fast.
[1] https://www.crossway.org/articles/10-key-bible-verses-on-the-trinity/
Those curses aren't from trinitarianism. They're from slaughtering / sacrificing children aka abortion.
God curses a nation that sheds innocent blood.
Yeah the Trinity is a difficult concept. That's because we have a 3 lb brain trying to understand an infinite God.
I recommend the book "They forgotten Trinity" by Dr James White.
I didn’t mean to imply that they were. I meant to say that we are here, and every part of the path is how we got here, … “so everything is humbly and justifiably up for inspection”
The trinity is most certainly not forgotten. It is spoken about often, consistently, and universally assumed to be true. Again, I am not saying it is false, but that in spite of having been preached to me my whole life, it neither makes total sense nor is scripturally explicit in either the New or Old Testaments, and that it is inarguably a stumbling block for many, many people in coming to Christ (Islam and Judaism both reject Christianity in no small part due to it)
If it takes an entire book to convince someone of it, when it should be simple and plainly stated enough for everyone to just understand it, and when it was not an explicitly stated understanding among the apostles at Jesus’ time, I feel like asking why we push it so hard is a very fair question. I don’t believe it’s the biggest issue out there, you are correct that child sacrifice and I would add - widespread flesh mutilation - both have to be stopped, I’m just saying it seems fair, and maybe even a good idea, to have it on the list for open-minded review.
Basically, when you get lost in the woods, you retrace your steps to try and get back out, and Trinitarian doctrine wasn’t around until .. the exact date is unclear but at least 150 years or so after Christ, and possibly Nicea or the 1200’s as an explicit doctrine.
Just looking for breadcrumbs.