Christians support Jews / Israel but not the other way around.
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I think I'm now more confused. Kek
do the two covenants relate to one another / flow together somehow? Is the Mosaic covenant nested within the Abrahamic?
I think I recall learning about this early on in my walk.
Abraham was given the promise
Moses was given the law
Jesus fulfilled the law, and the promise is steadily being fulfilled as we speak and throughout all of time. The Law / Prophets was a temporary portion of God's ultimate plan, the promise. Am I onto the correct path here?
Yeah, this stuff can be a bit difficult... I hope you don't mind I enlisted the aid of AI to answer this question, since I'm a bit slow (and inarticulate) -
How are the mosaic and abrahamic covenants related?
The Mosaic Covenant and the Abrahamic Covenant are closely connected, with the latter unfolding and expanding the former [I think it means the former unfolding and expanding the latter]. Here are key points highlighting their relationship:
Unconditional vs. Conditional: The Abrahamic Covenant is unilateral and unconditional, with God making promises to Abraham without specifying conditions (Genesis 12:2-3, 15:1-21). In contrast, the Mosaic Covenant is conditional, requiring obedience to God’s laws and commands (Exodus 19-24).
Expansion and Fulfillment: The Mosaic Covenant builds upon and fulfills the promises made in the Abrahamic Covenant. The Abrahamic Covenant predicted the growth of Abraham’s descendants into a nation (Genesis 12:2-3), while the Mosaic Covenant defines Israel as a nation under God’s law (Exodus 19-24).
Signs and Symbols: Both covenants feature signs and symbols. The Abrahamic Covenant is marked by circumcision (Genesis 17:9-14), while the Mosaic Covenant is characterized by the Passover and Sabbath (Exodus 12:1-30, 20:8-11).
Purpose and Focus: The Abrahamic Covenant emphasizes God’s promise to redeem humanity and establish a relationship with His people. The Mosaic Covenant, while still focused on redemption, adds a layer of responsibility and obedience, defining Israel as a covenant people.
Temporal and Eschatological: The Mosaic Covenant is a temporary covenant, given to Israel during their wilderness wanderings and until the coming of the Messiah (Hebrews 8:13). The Abrahamic Covenant, on the other hand, is an eternal covenant, pointing to the ultimate redemption and restoration of humanity through Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:8, Romans 4:13-16).
In summary, the Mosaic Covenant is a development and expansion of the Abrahamic Covenant, with the latter providing the foundation and promise, and the former defining the terms and responsibilities of Israel as God’s covenant people.
No problem at all fren.
I do recall the concept now that we ended up on the topic. It's been a while since I've gone into this stuff.
Some thoughts:
The first thing that sticks out to me after reading that is that the Law of Moses should perhaps be applied to the government, or nation, in how they rule the people (not the Levitical or sacrificial parts). I think that was basically accomplished with the founding of America despite the corruption it has suffered. If the government, regardless of the religions of its members (or lack thereof) is bound to the last 6 commandments, there is a good foundation to have a functioning society...
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so the Mosaic covenant was like a state of emergency during Israel's captivity and wilderness wandering. God had to preserve the remnant as best He could, so He put Israel under strict rules and burdensome rituals, both to show them the true horrors of sin and also to slow them down (as we know He already had to wipe humanity out once before due to their full-speed ahead into wickedness), and ultimately to show them how badly they needed God...
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Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic system and now we can freely access God no matter where we are or who we are. This was not the case before Christ, though there were individual outsiders who must have seen a glimpse of "the Way the Truth and the Life", as Rahab the prostitute covered for Joshua's spies, but they were very rare. Most of the gentiles were all into their various pagan crap, so were blinded to the truth. (easier to tell someone the truth than to convince them they've been lied to.. their paganism was in the way of the truth, so Israel was to be a light unto the nations, to show them how a truly godly nation should operate..)
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Now that Christ came there is no longer any reason to worry about bloodlines. The bloodline issue was important due to God's promises about the Messiah being of a specific blood lineage. I know of no other reason to be concerned about bloodlines now.
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just some things that came to me pondering this. Open to corrections!
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back to the topic of physical promised land and bloodline Hebrews, how do you see this playing out? Do we even have any "Hebrews" today? Everyone's lineages seem to be thoroughly mixed up now. How do we know who's who?
I think applying Mosaic law can be helpful in establishment of a functioning society, absolutely, but to have a truly perfect functioning government honestly can only be achieved by having God incarnate at the helm. When Jesus comes back we will have that. Also, when He comes back He will be able to set us strait on who's who so I'm not that concerned about it.
I would agree there's not a huge reason to be that fixated on bloodlines, what is more important is just to know Jesus, and everything else is gravy. The main reason that it matters is because God made a promise to Abraham and if He doesn't keep that promise how can we expect Him to keep His promises to us? I believe God keeps all His promises, and as fully as possible.
As for how I see it playing out with the physical promised land - its pretty simple. The Jews return to the land. I believe this already happened. Even if many of the Jews that returned to the promised land are not real Jews I'm sure the real ones are in there somewhere (providence). Daniel's 70th week will happen - the time of Jacob's Trouble. This will be a winnowing, and most of the Jews will be killed. A remnant will be preserved, and afterward, they will realize that they have rejected their Messiah and repent. They will live in the land that has been promised to them as God's holy people. They will be spiritually grafted back into the olive tree and the whole promised land will also be given to them, and Jesus will rule from Jerusalem for 1000 years.
(I finally got this response written 2 hours later, told you im slow kek)