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VERITASAEQUITAS 5 points ago +5 / -0

Shoutout to the new jannies, I got through skimming over the last day's posts with minimal eyerolling. 👍

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VERITASAEQUITAS 2 points ago +2 / -0

They can go back to the same schools that failed them, they still won't learn anything of value from those indoctrination centers.

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VERITASAEQUITAS 4 points ago +4 / -0

This is true, younger generations haven't failed, they have been failed. Hand your children over to be essentially raised by the government and then act surprised when they all come out as socialist and communist nitwits with no critical thinking skills, or any other kind of skills...

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VERITASAEQUITAS 5 points ago +5 / -0

Thanks. I guess if letting the jury do it is an option, that is smart for him... let suicidal empathy for a teen murderer get him out in 18 years so he can stab another white person on a subway. 🤦

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VERITASAEQUITAS 5 points ago +5 / -0

Am I missing something? Juries do not typically do sentencing, that is the judge's role.

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VERITASAEQUITAS 6 points ago +6 / -0

"Paul wrote ALL of his epistles to WHITE EUROPEANS."

This is objectively false. The majority of his epistles were written to regions either in Turkey or Greece. Those that weren't were written to Rome.


Modern-Day Locations

  • Rome: Located in Italy. It was the capital of the Roman Empire.
  • Corinth: Located in Greece (southern mainland). It was a major commercial hub in the province of Achaia.
  • Ephesus: Located in Turkey (western coast, near modern Selçuk). It was the capital of the Roman province of Asia.
  • Philippi: Located in Greece (northern region, near modern Kavala). It was a Roman colony in Macedonia.
  • Thessalonica: Located in Greece (northern region, modern city of Thessaloniki). It was the capital of the Roman province of Macedonia.
  • Colossae: Located in Turkey (southwestern interior, near modern Honaz). It was a smaller town in the Lycus Valley.
  • Galatia: A large central region in Turkey (covering areas around modern Ankara). Paul wrote to the churches in the southern part of this province (cities like Antioch of Pisidia, Iconium, Lystra, and Derbe).
  • Crete: A large island in Greece (south of the mainland). Paul wrote to Titus, who was ministering there.
    -Philemon's location (Colossae): As noted above, Colossae is in Turkey.

Turkey

The populations living in Anatolia (modern-day Turkey) during the time of Paul (1st century AD) were ethnically diverse and would have appeared Mediterranean or Middle Eastern rather than "white" in the modern Northern European sense.


Ethnic Composition and Appearance

The region was a melting pot of indigenous peoples and Hellenistic (Greek) settlers, resulting in a population with olive skin, dark hair, and dark eyes, typical of the Eastern Mediterranean and Near East.

-Indigenous Anatolians: The majority of the population descended from ancient civilizations like the Hittites, Luwians, and Phrygians. Historical sculptures and genetic studies suggest these groups had features common to the Levant and Southern Europe today (similar to modern Greeks, Italians, Lebanese, or Syrians).

  • Hellenized Greeks: Following the conquests of Alexander the Great, many Greeks settled in major cities like Ephesus. While ethnically Greek, these populations had lived in Asia for centuries and often blended with local peoples, retaining a Mediterranean appearance.
    -The Galatians: The recipients of the letter to the Galatians were originally Celtic tribes (Gauls) from Europe who migrated to central Anatolia in the 3rd century BC. While they may have initially retained lighter features, by Paul's time (300 years later), they had significantly intermarried with the local population and adopted Greek culture, becoming known as "Gallo-Greeks."
  • Other Groups: Significant populations of Jews, Armenians, and Syrians also lived in the region, all sharing similar Middle Eastern or Mediterranean physical characteristics.

Historical Context

It is important to note that the Turkic peoples (who migrated from Central Asia and established the modern Turkish identity) did not arrive in Anatolia until more than 1,000 years after Paul. Therefore, the people Paul wrote to were not ethnically Turkic or Central Asian; they were the indigenous ancestors of modern Greeks, Armenians, Kurds, and Turks who lived under Roman rule.


Greece

The Greeks living in the 1st century (both in mainland Greece and the Hellenized cities of Anatolia) would have appeared Mediterranean, sharing a similar physical spectrum to the indigenous Anatolians but with some variation due to their specific ancestry.


Physical Appearance

  • Skin Tone: They typically had olive to light-brown skin. Ancient Greek literature and art often distinguished themselves from the "pale" peoples of the north (Celts/Germans) and the "dark" peoples of the south (Nubians/Ethiopians), placing themselves in the middle.
  • Hair and Eyes: The majority had dark brown or black hair (often curly or wavy) and brown eyes. While lighter features (blond hair, blue eyes) existed, particularly in northern Greece or among aristocratic lineages claiming northern ancestry, they were not the norm for the general population.
  • Build: Descriptions from the era and skeletal analysis suggest a stocky to moderate build, distinct from the taller, lankier frames often associated with Northern Europeans.

Genetic Context

  • Continuity: Modern genetic studies confirm that modern Greeks are the closest living relatives to the Mycenaeans and Minoans of the Bronze Age. This suggests a high degree of continuity in appearance over millennia.
  • Anatolian Connection: Both ancient Greeks and indigenous Anatolians shared a significant amount of DNA from Neolithic farmers who migrated from the Near East/Anatolia into Europe. This made the Greeks and their neighbors in Turkey genetically and physically quite similar.
  • Hellenized Anatolians: In the cities Paul visited (like Ephesus or Antioch), the "Greek" population was often a mix of ethnic Greek settlers and local Anatolians who had adopted Greek language and culture. By the 1st century, these groups had intermarried for centuries, making the distinction in physical appearance negligible; both groups looked Middle Eastern/Southern Mediterranean by modern standards.

Comparison to Modern Categories

If categorized by modern, simplistic racial terms, they would not be considered "white" in the Northern European (Nordic/Anglo-Saxon) sense. They would align more closely with modern populations from Southern Italy, Greece, Lebanon, or Syria. The concept of "whiteness" as a unified racial identity did not exist in antiquity; identity was based on culture, language, and city-state citizenship rather than skin color.


Rome

The people living in Rome and the Italian peninsula during the 1st century were predominantly Mediterranean in appearance, similar to the populations of Anatolia and Greece, though with slightly more variation due to Italy's geographic position between Northern Europe and North Africa.


Physical Appearance

  • Skin Tone: The native Latins and Italics generally had olive to light-brown skin. They were typically darker than the "pale" peoples of Northern Europe (Gauls, Germans) but lighter than the populations of deep North Africa or Nubia.
  • Features: The majority possessed dark hair (brown or black) and dark eyes. While lighter features existed—particularly in Northern Italy due to proximity to Celtic and Germanic tribes—the archetypal Roman looked Southern European or Middle Eastern by modern standards.
  • Stature: Historical accounts and skeletal evidence suggest they were generally shorter and stockier than modern Northern Europeans.

A Cosmopolitan Melting Pot

By the time Paul wrote his letter to the Romans (c. 57 AD), the city of Rome was an intensely diverse imperial capital with a population of roughly one million.

  • Immigration: A significant portion of the city's population consisted of immigrants and descendants of slaves from the Eastern Mediterranean (Greece, Syria, Anatolia, Egypt) and North Africa. Genetic studies of remains from this period show a strong shift toward Near Eastern and Eastern Mediterranean ancestry, meaning many "Romans" in the city would have looked indistinguishable from the people in Antioch, Ephesus, or Jerusalem.
  • Ancestry: The "white" Northern European phenotype was present but was a minority, usually associated with recent immigrants from Gaul, Germany, or the Balkans, or specific aristocratic lineages. The concept of race was not based on skin color but on citizenship and culture; a person from Syria or Africa could be fully "Roman."

Summary

If you traveled to 1st-century Rome, you would not see a city of "white" people in the modern Northern European sense. You would see a crowd that looked overwhelmingly Mediterranean—similar to modern-day Southern Italians, Greeks, Lebanese, or Syrians—with a vast array of skin tones reflecting the empire's reach from Britain to Ethiopia.


Conclusion

Paul wrote to seven specific churches (Rome, Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, Philippi, Colossae, Thessalonica) and three individuals (Timothy, Titus, Philemon). These destinations were located across the Eastern Mediterranean:

  • Greece: Corinth, Philippi, Thessalonica, and the island of Crete.
  • Turkey (Anatolia): Ephesus, Colossae, and the region of Galatia.
  • Italy: Rome.

The populations in all these regions during the 1st century shared a Mediterranean or Middle Eastern appearance, distinct from the modern Northern European concept of "whiteness."

  • Anatolia (Turkey): The people were a mix of indigenous Anatolians (Hittite/Luwian descendants), Hellenized Greeks, and Galatians (Celts who had intermarried with locals). They typically had olive skin, dark hair, and dark eyes. They were not ethnically Turkic, as Turkic migration occurred much later.
  • Greece: Ancient Greeks possessed olive to light-brown skin with dark hair and eyes. Genetic studies show strong continuity with modern Greeks and significant shared ancestry with Near Eastern populations.
  • Rome: The city was a cosmopolitan melting pot. While native Latins were Mediterranean in appearance, the imperial capital had a massive influx of people from the Eastern Mediterranean and North Africa. Genetic evidence suggests many residents looked similar to modern Southern Italians, Greeks, or Levantines, with Northern European features being a minority.

In essence, the early Christian communities Paul addressed were predominantly Southern European and Near Eastern in ethnicity and appearance, not white.

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VERITASAEQUITAS 4 points ago +4 / -0

There is a price...

"I applied my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly. I perceived that this also was a chasing after wind. For in much wisdom is much grief; and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow." Ecclesiastes 1:17-18

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VERITASAEQUITAS 1 point ago +1 / -0

Mamdani called it a "horrific stabbing" so its probably not a muzzie, my money is on a dindu.

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VERITASAEQUITAS 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm sure they'll drum up a few more by this time next week.

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VERITASAEQUITAS 2 points ago +2 / -0

We aren't doing any more attacks (today)! Make Israel stop! REEEEEEEEeeeeeeeEEEEEEEeeeee!!!!

News flash they will launch more rockets next week, and everyone will bitch about Israel "breaking the ceasefire" if they don't take it like good little Jews and ask for more.

When will people learn that ceasefires with Muslims are meaningless? The IRGC will do what it wants. They don't take us seriously. Every "peace deal" is a victory, a chance to regroup and strike at the "enemies of Allah" once more. And I am not just talking about Israel.

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VERITASAEQUITAS 3 points ago +3 / -0

Anyone who believes this crap is actually retarded.

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VERITASAEQUITAS 1 point ago +1 / -0

Launching drones into the strait is definitely not "defensive." I suppose we should just let them drone strike as they please?

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VERITASAEQUITAS 2 points ago +2 / -0

I was asking for sauce that "Thune alocated over 100 million for this race," not about AIPAC donations, but since you brought it up I looked closer. This $760,000 figure represents donations over Cornyn's entire career, not this election cycle. When I asked Leo about AIPAC donations it said $0 because AIPAC is not legally allowed to donate directly to candidates so technically it has donated $0. Donations are made through AIPAC-affiliated PACs and AIPAC Bundlers, thus they are not direct donations. The actual amount that has been donated this election cycle is $218,000. I mean, that still doesn't sound like that much to me, but you are right that it is more than $0.

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VERITASAEQUITAS 11 points ago +11 / -0

It seems that though AIPAC indorsed Cornyn they did not donate a single dollar to his campaign, so this may be a bit overstated.

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