u/LakotaPride and any other Native American pedes, I found this in "He Walked the Americas" on page 238.
With some of what we see with pharmaceuticals & allopathic medicine, it makes me wonder how much disease has been a form of warfare against all humanity potentially for millenia?
Do you guys have any additional information or stories about disease free people on this land?
I had been taught that Native Americans had developed a "different" immune system, though maybe there wasn't a need for such a robust immune system if there was no disease from the taint of toxins?
This may just be a crazy theory, but reading the stories about "The Prophet" from the oral traditions of various tribes in this book has been really interesting & it seems pretty clear that traditionally White Americans have had no interest in oral traditions & learning about the truth these tribes could share.
Just curious if there is anything else you can add or where I can learn more about an accurate history vs a white washed Smithsonian version.
Speaking only for my tribe. We did not have a written language so their is no record to be found. However the information was passed down from Generation to Generation. This chnaged when the Black Robes started a written language as they learned our language.
Since there is little mention it appears people did get old and passed on. Indicating that our immune systems being exposed aided in better health as the immune system was designed to do. What is mentioned is with the arrival of Black Robes and settlers who had new viruses we had never had before it had a devastaing effect.
We were one of the largest tribes. We lost many from wars with other tribes and the Army. But nothing close to the losses from new viruses. It mimicked Genocide.
My cousin researched old military health records after graduating medical school. What he found were symptoms of diabetes starting to show up on the reservations. This appears to be supported by photo evidence from the past. Obesity was showing up, along with missing teeth more likely connected to sugar when it was introduced.
My 4th generation Great Grandfathers daughter was dying. The Medicine Man was unable to heal her. The comander of the fort hearing this sent his Doctor to help. The delay came because of a snowstorm but the Doctor did arrive at night to help. But she passed away. Prety clear the medicine man had not come across anything like this in the past. pointing more then likely to a new virus. The commander sent a pine coffin and riding gauntlets and gave her a military style funeral when she was laid to rest. This kindness is never forgotten and passsed on to each Generation.
I spoke with a friend who is Cherokee. He shared similar information about the most harm was from new viruses and that the death rates could appear to be genocide. Pretty clear we lost way more people from viruses then wars. Also clear is our immune system work better when they are challenged and it passes on to the next Generation. So before new viruses showing up people were doing well.
I don’t read that passage as meaning there were absolutely no diseases among Native Americans prior to European settlement, but rather, that they were highly susceptible to the particular diseases for which Europeans had generationally-built immunity and brought with them to the “New World.”
Such childhood diseases as measles killed thousands since the Indians had little white-corpuscle resistance built up throughout the ages to disease.
I have read similar accounts about Indians being wiped out with small pox, diphtheria, and/or what the Lenni Lenapes called “ Yellow Fever.” I also have wondered about the high incidence of alcoholism among Native Americans—prior to European influence, they had not consumed alcohol and yet, there are accounts of Indians quickly succumbing to addiction to “Fire Water,” and pawning their resources to get it. Since alcohol converts to sugar in the bloodstream, and since the Native American diet had previously no refined sugars, I’ve wondered if their metabolisms were more prone to alcoholism. But that’s just a pet hypothesis, I’m certainly not a scientist.
But back to your question. Just a guess, but I would imagine that prior to European colonization, the natives must have had their own maladies, or else there would have been no need for medicine men and women. And medicinal plants and herbs would not have been needed. Also no need for sweat lodges. Maybe they even had the same “families” of bacterial and viruses as the Europeans did, but just different strains?
Conversely, I would also imagine that Europeans were more apt to contract diseases for which the Indians had generational immunity. The Jamestown colony comes to mind:
Typhoid fever and dysentery visited Jamestown in recurrent epidemics killing 30 per cent or more of the colonists with each onslaught. Yet Jamestown endured because the leaders of the Virginia Company misapprehended the nexus between the estuarine environment and water-borne, non-immunizing diseases. Each summer, death stalked the town as invading salt water pushed up the estuary and concentrated pathogens in the town's water supply. The prevention of disease and death required the abandonment of Jamestown and relocation into healthier niches, which occurred with the dissolution of the Virginia Company in 1624.
If memory serves, in the Jamestown instance, Europeans died but the Indians had apparently known better than to build a village in a location prone to mosquito infestation. At least now we know the lowly mosquito is one of the most lethal vectors known to man. Still, makes one wonder why we would ever allow Bill Gates to breed them. 🤔. But that’s another topic.
Good thought process there. I had the "pharmaceutical" Thing running through my head due to family discussions this week & ended up hyper focused while I read that.
Thanks for the reminder to expand my thinking on my own pet hypothesises.
What if we find out we were supposed to live disease free for several hundred years if we eat right and take care of our bodies and are not continuously poisoned with electronic shit, bad food, water and air. Noah took 50-75 years to build the ark.
What projects could we start knowing we would live that long?
Yes we thank you we certainly know the khazarians came from the Europeans so it isn't much of a stretch to say diseases is a product of pharmakia. Which is the origin of the word pharmacy.
Pharmakia - a healing or harmful medicine, a healing or poisonous herb; a drug, poisonous potion; magic (potion), dye, raw material for physical or chemical processing.
It certainly could become one. In hindsight I had somewhere to get to & posted before I thought it all the way through. I was looking for some interesting feedback & ideas. I have had some come back & now have some really interesting things to dig into.
It seems to have been a really terrible hypothesis that came out of way too much talk with family & their newly found info on biblical translation about pharma & poisoning, as well as another one of them bringing up "Khazary stuff". I ended up finishing up a book that took me way to long to finish right before dinner & posted quickly before joining everyone again. I got way too hyper focused on the stuff everyone else was talking about. That said, the younger generation is clearly waking up to doing their own research & many other topics discussed on this forum frequently. It amazed me the discussions the teens were having.
I was thinking more of the kazarian group that many discuss here.
Just like all individuals of Jewish decent are not evil, not all of any race are. Individuals should be judged on their own merits. Just because cities burned during BLM riots, I didn't blame my black friends. When gang violence at the hands of MS13 ramps up, I don't blame all Guatemalans.
No dont blame whitey, blame the same khazarian mafia who are still creating viruses and diseases that are now issued to the world population. They was already plaguing Europe then stow away with the colonist, like rats, to continue thier attempt at world domination.
Except that Syphilis reportedly came from America to Europe and was the reason for upper class Europeans wearing all those stupid powdered wigs after the conquest of America.
u/LakotaPride and any other Native American pedes, I found this in "He Walked the Americas" on page 238.
With some of what we see with pharmaceuticals & allopathic medicine, it makes me wonder how much disease has been a form of warfare against all humanity potentially for millenia?
Do you guys have any additional information or stories about disease free people on this land?
I had been taught that Native Americans had developed a "different" immune system, though maybe there wasn't a need for such a robust immune system if there was no disease from the taint of toxins?
This may just be a crazy theory, but reading the stories about "The Prophet" from the oral traditions of various tribes in this book has been really interesting & it seems pretty clear that traditionally White Americans have had no interest in oral traditions & learning about the truth these tribes could share.
Just curious if there is anything else you can add or where I can learn more about an accurate history vs a white washed Smithsonian version.
Speaking only for my tribe. We did not have a written language so their is no record to be found. However the information was passed down from Generation to Generation. This chnaged when the Black Robes started a written language as they learned our language.
Since there is little mention it appears people did get old and passed on. Indicating that our immune systems being exposed aided in better health as the immune system was designed to do. What is mentioned is with the arrival of Black Robes and settlers who had new viruses we had never had before it had a devastaing effect.
We were one of the largest tribes. We lost many from wars with other tribes and the Army. But nothing close to the losses from new viruses. It mimicked Genocide.
My cousin researched old military health records after graduating medical school. What he found were symptoms of diabetes starting to show up on the reservations. This appears to be supported by photo evidence from the past. Obesity was showing up, along with missing teeth more likely connected to sugar when it was introduced.
My 4th generation Great Grandfathers daughter was dying. The Medicine Man was unable to heal her. The comander of the fort hearing this sent his Doctor to help. The delay came because of a snowstorm but the Doctor did arrive at night to help. But she passed away. Prety clear the medicine man had not come across anything like this in the past. pointing more then likely to a new virus. The commander sent a pine coffin and riding gauntlets and gave her a military style funeral when she was laid to rest. This kindness is never forgotten and passsed on to each Generation.
I spoke with a friend who is Cherokee. He shared similar information about the most harm was from new viruses and that the death rates could appear to be genocide. Pretty clear we lost way more people from viruses then wars. Also clear is our immune system work better when they are challenged and it passes on to the next Generation. So before new viruses showing up people were doing well.
I hope this is of help.
Thank you, it does.
You are welcome.
I don’t read that passage as meaning there were absolutely no diseases among Native Americans prior to European settlement, but rather, that they were highly susceptible to the particular diseases for which Europeans had generationally-built immunity and brought with them to the “New World.”
I have read similar accounts about Indians being wiped out with small pox, diphtheria, and/or what the Lenni Lenapes called “ Yellow Fever.” I also have wondered about the high incidence of alcoholism among Native Americans—prior to European influence, they had not consumed alcohol and yet, there are accounts of Indians quickly succumbing to addiction to “Fire Water,” and pawning their resources to get it. Since alcohol converts to sugar in the bloodstream, and since the Native American diet had previously no refined sugars, I’ve wondered if their metabolisms were more prone to alcoholism. But that’s just a pet hypothesis, I’m certainly not a scientist.
But back to your question. Just a guess, but I would imagine that prior to European colonization, the natives must have had their own maladies, or else there would have been no need for medicine men and women. And medicinal plants and herbs would not have been needed. Also no need for sweat lodges. Maybe they even had the same “families” of bacterial and viruses as the Europeans did, but just different strains?
Conversely, I would also imagine that Europeans were more apt to contract diseases for which the Indians had generational immunity. The Jamestown colony comes to mind:
Jamestown Colony
If memory serves, in the Jamestown instance, Europeans died but the Indians had apparently known better than to build a village in a location prone to mosquito infestation. At least now we know the lowly mosquito is one of the most lethal vectors known to man. Still, makes one wonder why we would ever allow Bill Gates to breed them. 🤔. But that’s another topic.
Good thought process there. I had the "pharmaceutical" Thing running through my head due to family discussions this week & ended up hyper focused while I read that.
Thanks for the reminder to expand my thinking on my own pet hypothesises.
edited - typos
What if we find out we were supposed to live disease free for several hundred years if we eat right and take care of our bodies and are not continuously poisoned with electronic shit, bad food, water and air. Noah took 50-75 years to build the ark.
What projects could we start knowing we would live that long?
I would spend a few decades mastering a few stragegy games & magic tricks. Maybe tinker with some mechanical engineering things for kicks & giggles.
Dinosaur fossils show they caught bone cancer. Disease has been around for as long as LIFE has.
I have never seen that. Any chance you have a link that I can start studying that? It sounds fascinating.
Yes we thank you we certainly know the khazarians came from the Europeans so it isn't much of a stretch to say diseases is a product of pharmakia. Which is the origin of the word pharmacy.
Pharmakia - a healing or harmful medicine, a healing or poisonous herb; a drug, poisonous potion; magic (potion), dye, raw material for physical or chemical processing.
Those were the general thoughts going through my head when I was thinking about this.
What a slippery slope type of post this is.
It certainly could become one. In hindsight I had somewhere to get to & posted before I thought it all the way through. I was looking for some interesting feedback & ideas. I have had some come back & now have some really interesting things to dig into.
It seems to have been a really terrible hypothesis that came out of way too much talk with family & their newly found info on biblical translation about pharma & poisoning, as well as another one of them bringing up "Khazary stuff". I ended up finishing up a book that took me way to long to finish right before dinner & posted quickly before joining everyone again. I got way too hyper focused on the stuff everyone else was talking about. That said, the younger generation is clearly waking up to doing their own research & many other topics discussed on this forum frequently. It amazed me the discussions the teens were having.
Oh here we go, blame whitey.. smh
I was thinking more of the kazarian group that many discuss here.
Just like all individuals of Jewish decent are not evil, not all of any race are. Individuals should be judged on their own merits. Just because cities burned during BLM riots, I didn't blame my black friends. When gang violence at the hands of MS13 ramps up, I don't blame all Guatemalans.
Amen brother
No dont blame whitey, blame the same khazarian mafia who are still creating viruses and diseases that are now issued to the world population. They was already plaguing Europe then stow away with the colonist, like rats, to continue thier attempt at world domination.
Except that Syphilis reportedly came from America to Europe and was the reason for upper class Europeans wearing all those stupid powdered wigs after the conquest of America.
I have not seen that information, thanks you for giving me something to look through.
Do you recall where you found that?
Seen it in lots of places, it's actually even part of the wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syphilis#History