As for asking questions repeatedly... what do you do when the first asshole cop is advancing and taking you down without really answering your questions?
Listen, I totally understand what you're saying. I'm agree with that. You don't seem to think that I agree with you--but look at my original post and re-read that I said both cops deserve to be fired.
You hit the nail on the head above... "because in their yes, you're Guilty of something," and that's my whole point--if you take your approach of asking questions (which is what I meant by saying test the waters) and you discern that the cop thinks you're guilty no matter what... well... that's when it's time to let him have his moment, and not do anything that jeopardizes your son, your ability to take care of your son, your self, or your ability to prosecute later that day.
You think I am a cop. Well, I'm not. I am a realist. I would have recognized in that situation that I could not win against a dirty cop with his mind made up. And that is my larger point--people need to understand what they're up against, and use body cam footage or their own cell phone footage to prosecute, rather than risk getting hurt and/or risk doing something that then nullifies the opportunity to prosecute.
All I hear from you is "rights" "rights" "rights". That's the obvious thing. What happens when the cop doesn't care about you asking your questions and just hears your questions as resistance, because he doesn't even know the law?
So just because I suggested that he answer their question, I am the one who doesn't support rights?
And what if this guy was really a pedophile? With all the human trafficking stuff circulating, you don't think it was reasonable for the police to at least check in? What about the child? The dad can certain claim "my rights", but what is a cop supposed to do when the child is present?
I just don't understand if how you are the Dad, you would not answer simple questions so that you can avoid being separated from your son in that situation.
Now we agree on something.
As for asking questions repeatedly... what do you do when the first asshole cop is advancing and taking you down without really answering your questions?
Listen, I totally understand what you're saying. I'm agree with that. You don't seem to think that I agree with you--but look at my original post and re-read that I said both cops deserve to be fired.
You hit the nail on the head above... "because in their yes, you're Guilty of something," and that's my whole point--if you take your approach of asking questions (which is what I meant by saying test the waters) and you discern that the cop thinks you're guilty no matter what... well... that's when it's time to let him have his moment, and not do anything that jeopardizes your son, your ability to take care of your son, your self, or your ability to prosecute later that day.
You think I am a cop. Well, I'm not. I am a realist. I would have recognized in that situation that I could not win against a dirty cop with his mind made up. And that is my larger point--people need to understand what they're up against, and use body cam footage or their own cell phone footage to prosecute, rather than risk getting hurt and/or risk doing something that then nullifies the opportunity to prosecute.
All I hear from you is "rights" "rights" "rights". That's the obvious thing. What happens when the cop doesn't care about you asking your questions and just hears your questions as resistance, because he doesn't even know the law?
I hope you can see what I am trying to explain.
Not Resist at all, in any way....
Let it happen, but keep asking the same Question, WHAT CRIME AM I ACCUSED OF???
So just because I suggested that he answer their question, I am the one who doesn't support rights?
And what if this guy was really a pedophile? With all the human trafficking stuff circulating, you don't think it was reasonable for the police to at least check in? What about the child? The dad can certain claim "my rights", but what is a cop supposed to do when the child is present?
I just don't understand if how you are the Dad, you would not answer simple questions so that you can avoid being separated from your son in that situation.
Cop sees Man and Boy Walking, stops them, asks the Boy, who is your Daddy???
I know, right? Too bad it didn't happen that way.
And the Dad was not keen enough to recognize the trap he was falling into the moment they stepped out of the cruiser.